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Google's Shadow Over Firefox

eldavojohn writes "The Mozilla Foundation's chief executive now earns roughly half a million in pay and benefits. With $70 million in assets, the Foundation gave out less than $300,000 in grants to open source projects in 2006. And in 2006 85% of their $66 million in revenue came from Google. When these figures first came to light, people worried whether Firefox was becoming a pawn in Google's cold war with Microsoft. The Foundation addressed these fears and largely laid them to rest; but now the worry is that, even though it's clear that the community's code is what makes Firefox successful, Mozilla may be becoming dangerously reliant on Google's cash."

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  1. Re:Google has influenced Opera, also. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's because adblocking is built into Opera, doofus.

    Opera doesn't need add-ons to do everything useful. For some reason they figured they might as well integrate them.

  2. Re:Google has influenced Opera, also. by Ajehals · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although if the Firefox code base remains open, and as long as extensions can be written, there is nothing to stop anyone from creating ad-blocking extensions, after all it is something that many people seem to like, moreover if there is (however unlikely it may be) a concerted effort to prevent ad-blocking technology within Firefox there is always the option of creating a fork with those countermeasures removed.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea that the Mozilla Foundation *appears* to be dependent on Google's advertising revenue, and I can see how that *could* impact decision making, but I dont see a whole lot of alternative funding streams, nor a threat that could not be overcome, that is after all why we like open standards and open code, no one person or group truly has 100% control and it is nearly impossible to take something that is free and open and turn it into something proprietary and closed..

  3. Beyond FUD by savala · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mitchell (Mozilla's "chief lizard wrangler") wrote a fairly large blog post, not only about the numbers as published, but also saying some things on the directions Mozilla is moving.

    Far more interesting reading than the fluff news.com article, let alone the random FUD spouting by the submitter.

  4. File bug reports rather than whine on Slashdot by bunratty · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Firefox CPU hogging and memory gobbling bug would take some serious troubleshooting to find, and no one wants to do the work, apparently.

    First, the Firefox CPU bug you've been complaining about (Firefox consumers lots of CPU after the computer wakes up from standby or hibernate) was fixed in Firefox 2.0.0.8. If you're still having any problems with the latest release of Firefox, let developers know by filing a proper bug report, including steps to reproduce the problem.

    Second, there is no sign of any "memory gobbling bug" that I can see, just a few little leaks here and there and some memory fragmentation. If you're still having any problems with the latest release of Firefox, let developers know by filing a proper bug report, including steps to reproduce the problem.

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    1. Re:File bug reports rather than whine on Slashdot by Allador · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good Lord, its trivial to reproduce the memory leak issue.

      Open up digg.com (without your noscript extension running).

      Open the first 20 or 30 pages in new tabs.

      Close them, repeat.

      Firefox will now be using in excess of 500MB of memory.

      Close firefox and re-open (with the same session), and FireFox will drop to between 100-200MB.

      Let it sit or browse again, watch it inflate memory use again.

      Close all the tabs except one, go to about:blank (or whatever firefox calls it).

      Notice how the memory use doesnt go down?

      These are pretty much textbook definitions of memory leaking, firefox is consuming memory when it needs it, but then not giving the memory back when its done.

      It's quite easy to get FF to grow up to 1GB or so of memory usage, standby and hibernate helps.

      It's trivially reproducible.

      The only way you dont encounter this is if you use very few tabs, and you close and restart firefox often.

    2. Re:File bug reports rather than whine on Slashdot by asa · · Score: 4, Informative

      The browser speed test you cite is bogus. Firefox, during all of my time being involved with its development and release, has always been faster at start-up, new window, and pageload, than the Suite, (with the possible exception of startup with the suite with the preloader on (turbo mode) Even then, on the hardware I had during the development of every pre-1.0 release of Firefox, Firefox bead Suite in turbo mode on a first start after reboot).

      The original phoenix work came from Blake, me, Joe, Dave, Bryner, Pch, and a couple of others later on and the motivation was not to create a minimalist browser. I was there. I was a part of it from the first checkin to mozilla/browser and the goal was not to create a minimalist browser, it was to create a good browser. Viewer.exe was a minimalist browser but it was not a good browser. Chimera, the cocoa Mac browser, something we modeled some of the early m/b work on (but, in our case, using XUL) was not a minimalist browser. Ben's short-lived c# Manticore browser that pre-dated Firefox, was not intended to be a minimalist browser either, though it didn't get much past that.

      Yes, it was called m/b for about three months of early active development. The people were the same as when we named it Phoenix and the goals were the same.

      And that bullshit about telling users not to download Mozilla is just that, bullshit. You're remembering pre Mozilla 1.0 days. I was responsible for those pages and when I shipped 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7,and all of the dot releases in between, all of them messaged the Suite as a strong and community supported end-user offering. Claiming otherwise is simply lying.

      I was there. I was responsible for every single Suite release going back to M17 and all the way up to the 1.7 release. I was responsible for every Firefox release from the first binary of m/b posted at my blog all the way up until Firefox 1.5. I shipped those products and wrote much of the user-facing content on release pages. Don't come in here and tell me I'm re-writing history unless you're going to cite some one or some documentation from someone more authority than me.

      - A

  5. Re:Google has influenced Opera, also. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are modded flamebait, but I'm not sure I disagree. The GP says that nothing in Opera blocks Google ads, but all you need to do is add *.googlesyndication.com/* to the blocker and they're gone for good. If anything, it's the GP who's wrong..

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  6. Re:Money spent on R&D by jesser · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the financial statement, Mozilla spent $11,775,516 on "software development" in 2006. I'm guessing that mostly means salaries and benefits for employees who work on Gecko and Firefox. So the bulk of Mozilla's spending is on developing (specific) open-source software.

    I don't know what the "less than $300,000" thing refers to. Maybe it refers to monetary grants to other open-source projects, or maybe it refers to things like buying laptops for volunteers so they can contribute more effectively.

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  7. Re:The Bigger Point by maxume · · Score: 5, Informative

    They spent around $19 million in 2006. Some big chunk of that was paying people to work on Firefox. The $300,000 was money given to *outside* projects.

    It's really hard to say if the CEOs pay was worth it. Really, really hard. If the foundation knew it wasn't, I bet they would find a different CEO. Apparently, they have less than perfect information yet still find the arrangement acceptable.

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  8. Re:Google wanted Thunderbird killed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you use IMap with gmail, you're still handing your data over to google.

  9. Re:Opera allows those ugly Flash ads. by kennygraham · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or use firefox and get the filterset-g extension, and it takes care of everything for you, including automatic updates to the ad server list. Blocks ads, flash or not. And doesn't block the flash that you want.

  10. Filterset.G is deprecated with Adblock Plus by amake · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Adblock Plus FAQs:

    ...it is recommended not to use Filterset.G with Adblock Plus. There are several reasons for this: ...

    In short, the Filterset.G extension duplicates functionality already in the Adblock Plus extension, it's slow, and it's harder to use. The filter subscriptions supplied by Adblock Plus are the recommended alternative.

  11. Re:Opera allows those ugly Flash ads. by drsquare · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is flash you want?
    How else are you going to access youporn, pornotube, redtube, pornhub etc?
  12. Re:Sold out by asa · · Score: 4, Informative

    We built the search feature into Mozilla in 1999. Google has been an option in that feature since its inception. That was 5 years before there was any revenue associated with it. We made Google the default in 2002 or 2003 to replace the silly "Netscape" default which was simply a Netscape branded Google. This was years before there was any revenue associated with it.

    We made these decisions because it was the right thing for users, not because it was a revenue opportunity. If we ever have to decide between doing what's right for users and a revenue opportunity, we'll put the users first every time. The nice thing about the current situation is that it's both the right thing for users and a revenue opportunity.

    And this is just about the "defaults" in Firefox. If you don't like Google, switch it to Yahoo. If you don't like Yahoo, you can add any one of more than 13,000 additional search services to the Firefox search toolbar with just a click or two at http://mycroft.mozdev.org/

    - A