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Google's Shadow Over Firefox

eldavojohn writes "The Mozilla Foundation's chief executive now earns roughly half a million in pay and benefits. With $70 million in assets, the Foundation gave out less than $300,000 in grants to open source projects in 2006. And in 2006 85% of their $66 million in revenue came from Google. When these figures first came to light, people worried whether Firefox was becoming a pawn in Google's cold war with Microsoft. The Foundation addressed these fears and largely laid them to rest; but now the worry is that, even though it's clear that the community's code is what makes Firefox successful, Mozilla may be becoming dangerously reliant on Google's cash."

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  1. Would it make you feel better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they took Microsoft's cash instead? I'm sure MS would love to have more traffic pointed at their search, regardless of the source.

  2. Other Revenue Sources? by TFGeditor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, I admit ignorance. I have never understood how Mozilla, a purveyor of free-as-in-beer software, makes money, even if only operating capital (as opposed to profit).

    What sources other than Google fund Mozilla? And why?

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    1. Re:Other Revenue Sources? by bunratty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Search engines.
      For placement of their search engines.
      Read more here.

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  3. What is REALLY bothersome by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is that they only gave out 300K to opensource? It is FAR less than what they are paying their CEO? Something is WAY wrong. As it is, most of Firefox WAS done as OSS, and the foundation would not exist with it. They should be spending a LOAD of money on OSS.

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  4. Google wanted Thunderbird killed? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That seems right to me.

    Mozilla Foundation stopped supporting Thunderbird development apparently because the organization got no money for it, and Google wants you to use web mail, so that you will see the ads.

    Mozilla Foundation gave no adequate explanation for killing its support of Thunderbird.

  5. Conflict of interest between Firefox/Google by cortana · · Score: 4, Interesting

    lwn.net had a story about this a while back. Worth reading at http://lwn.net/Articles/256904/. One of the comments in particular:

    Actually, I really think he has a point. Not only does Google have enough employees working on Firefox to ram through whatever change they desire, they also control enough members of the self-appointed WHAT-WG "HTML 5" group to do whatever they want there as well. So an idea can be "standardized" instantly solely by Google employees, then implemented, reviewed, super-reviewed, and committed entirely by Google employees.

    This is not theoretical, it already happened with the "ping" attribute in HTML 5, which benefits nobody except advertising companies (read: Google).

  6. Firefox & Google Money by MTO_B. · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think people should read this article, by Asa Dotzler, a coordinator for several Mozilla projects.
    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2007/10/firefox_finance.html

  7. Mozilla.org financials, 2006 by mveloso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Revenues: $66,840,850
    Expenses: $19,776,193

    Expenses breakdown:

    Program Services: $ 540,384
    Software Development: $11,775,516
    Sales and Marketing: $ 4,836,238
    General & Admin: $ 2,624,055

    "Profit" (or, change in net assets, since it's a non-profit): $27,893,735

    Damn, it's good to be free. You'd think that the foundation would donate its money to fund other OSS projects, but as software people have discovered, the first priority of a foundation is to ensure the existence (and a lucrative existence at that) of its staff.

  8. Re:Money spent on R&D by donnacha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're kidding, right?

    Everyone I know using Firefox on the Mac has the same problem. Reproducible? Perhaps the foundation could just buy a Mac for testing.

    In the six months since I switched, the system has been rock solid and every other application has been fine, only Firefox needs to be repeatedly restarted due to ballooning memory use.

    Right now, after just two hours of light usage since Firefox last slowed my entire system to such a crawl that it had to be restart, one window and three tabs open (Gmail, Google reader, slashdot), Activity Monitor shows Firefox at 322MB real memory, 824MB virtual and growing. I don't actually know how high it goes before becoming completely unusable (haven't bothered looking) but it must be pretty high - I have 4GB of memory installed in this laptop and, usually, no other apps running.

    That is with the most recent FF, 2.0.0.9 - there is, absolutely, a problem; perhaps if the foundation were not in such a rosy financial situation they would have an incentive to fix problems that affect a significantly large minority of their users.