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Northeastern University Sues Google Over Patent

kihbord writes to mention that Boston's Northeastern University and Waltham, Mass. based company Jarg have brought suit against Google for apparently infringing on a distributed database system developed by Kenneth Baclawski. "The patent describes a distributed database system that breaks search queries into fragments and distributes them to multiple computers in a network to get faster results. The patent was assigned to Northeastern University, which licensed it exclusively to Jarg, according to the lawsuit, filed last Tuesday with the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas."

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  1. Prior Art? by CustomDesigned · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We had a system in our office in 1985 that distributed records for each table to N processors via a hash function, where N could be a large as you liked. Queries were sent to all nodes and run in parallel, and the results combined (since SQL is set based, this works perfectly). Queries on any size database could be made arbitrarily fast by adding more nodes. The only bottle neck was the band width to the control processor and any order by clauses, which was proportional to the result set size, not the database size.

    1. Re:Prior Art? by yorugua · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, TFA mentions Dec 7 1997 as "the day". In 1996, I worked in a project which involves Oracle Parallel Server on a RS/6000 SP2 parallel system. OPS used "I/O shipping" to send to several nodes the I/O request for a given query, and used the VSD subsystem for doing that (VSD stands for Virtual Shared Disk. The disk were attached to several SP2 nodes, which did the actual I/O while the many OPS nodes all saw the complete database as directly connected to it). Back then, 1996, the other "standard" of doing the parallel-database-thing was called "function shipping", in which not the IO, but the query was split among the nodes that had the tables and/or data involved. Of course, in both cases, all the nodes were networked using the SP2 switch in order to have huge bandwidht and low latency. Sounds familiar...

  2. Too quick to dismiss Northeastern as a troll by The+Empiricist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The /. posts labeling Northeastern University as a patent troll or claiming that the patent should not have issued have been posted too quickly to be credible assessments of the morality of this suit and the worthiness of the patent. The current Wikipedia definition is that a patent troll is "a person or company that enforces its patents against one or more alleged infringers in a manner considered unduly aggressive or opportunistic." If the patent was obtained through lawful and ethical means, is valid, and is infringed on by Google, then how is it "unduly aggressive or opportunistic" for Northeastern University to enforce the patent?

    Some argue that a patent troll is merely a person or company that seeks to enforce a patent but does not practice the patent. Maybe Northeastern University is not practicing the patent. Then again, the mission of most universities seems to be conducting research, not applying and commercializing research. Licensing research to companies that can and will apply and commercialize that research is one way that universities fund additional research. Maybe universities should have to give all of their research away for free. But currently they do not. And it seems unfair to fault Northeastern for exercising its rights while not pushing the scope of its mission.

    Given how quickly Northeastern was accused of being a patent troll, and given that there was no discussion about the proper role of universities or any real analysis of the worthiness of the patent (which was filed in 1994...almost 4 years before Google was founded), it seems likely that some people consider a patent troll to be any person who tries to enforce any patent rights.

    Maybe Northeastern is acting like a patent troll. And maybe their patent is worthless. But it takes more than a quick glance at the 20-page issued patent or the 6-page complaint against Google to come up with a reasonable assessment of these issues.

    Some analysis of the complaint would at least show that it doesn't look like Northeastern really knows the details of Google's search infrastructure:

    13. A part of its search engine services, Google uses one or more hashing algorithms.
    14. As part of its search engine services, Google returns search results responsive to user queries.
    ...
    16. Google maintains and operators clusters of networked computers to provide search engine services to users.
    ...
    26. Google has directly and/or indirectly infringed on one or more claims of the '593 patent, and Google is continuing such infringement by practicing or causing others to practice one or more of the inventions claimed in the '593 patent. For example, Google makes, uses, imports, sells and/or offers for sale search engine services and systems that infringe or that are used in ways that infringe one or more claims of the '593 patent in this district and elsewhere in the United States.

    Then again, Google's code is not open to the world. If it was, more detailed analysis would be possible. How can Northeastern try to get access to the code? By suing and demanding it as part of discovery. Does this make Northeastern a patent troll? Maybe. But the alternative (aside from discarding the patent system altogether, at least for software innovations) is a system that rewards patent infringers who keep their source code inaccessible to patent holders.

  3. Re:Interesting Dates by bstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Aside from obviousness, the idea has been around forever. nCube built a business around it in the early 80's.

  4. Re:Former student by Curze · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am a recent former student, and my experience is quite opposite of yours. Prof Baclawski, besides having the added benefit of speaking English natively, was an excellent teacher both for myself and the handful of others in my class that I spoke with regularly. He usually referenced "back in the day" stories, but in a humorous way that lead into the subject at hand, and I ended up learning more than most in that class. Also rediculously apparent was his apathy for monetary compensation, he just wanted to teach and research new things, hell the guy wore the same damn dirty coat for the 5 years I was there! The move on google is most likely a move by the NU corp, as they are bloodthirsty when it comes to money, just look at tution costs of NU.http://www.neu.edu/admissions/costs/tuition.html