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Kindle Versus The iPhone

Bernie Campbell writes "Forbes takes a look at the recently announced Kindle ebook from Amazon, and considers the possibility that Apple may have beaten them to the punch. 'Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs has a not-so-secret weapon when it comes time to load up the iPhone with content: Google ... Google's Book Search project has already pumped much of the world's printed matter into Google's servers. Downloads of classic titles, such as Bleak House, can already be had for free. Mix Apple's iTunes content distribution smarts with Google's vast storehouse of content, and you'll have an instant competitor to Kindle -- one with a touch interface and the ability to play movies and music, too.'

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  1. From an avid reader by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll wait a long time to get the kindle. I've always found a paper book to be more convenient than anything online. The kindle is, apparently, quite light and very easy to read, which fixes a couple of the problems. But can you lend a book to a friend or just give it away? What about take it to the toilet and not have to worry? What about a low replacement cost? It looks like they have the price per book to a reasonable level, but everything about paper books is perfect for me. The kindle would have to be amazing to supplant my current library, and the same goes for the iPhone.

  2. They compete in the same market... by kevmatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you forget the price difference, the monthly fee the iPhone requires, the shorter battery life of the iPhone (how long can it last if the display is lit nonstop?)...

    Not to mention that the iPhone display is smaller and lower resolution.
    And that Amazon already has a lot of pull with book publishers.
    I'd buy a Kindle if I knew I could get all my college books on it.

    1. Re:They compete in the same market... by mypalmike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd buy a Kindle if I knew I could get all my college books on it.

      When some big company figures out that college textbooks are going to be the first big market for ebooks, I'm going to invest in them.

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  3. The iPod has e-paper? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because that's the point of Kindle, isn't it? It is an electronic device that feels similar to a real book and let's you concentrate on the reading. It doesn't have a shiny screen and it won't distract you with calls.

    1. Re:The iPod has e-paper? by timster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that Amazon gave in to creeping featurism before they had even managed to establish their market in the first place. So rather than a simple "device that feels similar to a real book and lets you concentrate on the reading", we have a monstrosity with dozens of buttons and wireless connectivity... much unlike a real book.

      Whoops.

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  4. I'll start buying ebooks ... by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... when it's possible for me to sell, swap, borrow, and/or loan them.

    It seems like none of the people who design ebook systems have ever been in a used book store or a library, or have ever lent a favorite book to a friend.

    1. Re:I'll start buying ebooks ... by nuzak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems like none of the people who design ebook systems have ever been in a used book store or a library, or have ever lent a favorite book to a friend.

      Sure they have. And their first thought about it was "this must be stopped".

      I didn't think RMS's "Right to Read" was actually being interpreted as a business plan.

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  5. Are you kidding me? by supabeast! · · Score: 3, Informative

    Clearly the author of that Forbes article hasn't tried reading too many of the books on Google books. While there are some really nicely formatted ebooks on there, most of the collection consists of horrendous scans of esoterica only useful to researchers with a tolerance for photographs that may be blurry, noisy, or shot at funny angles.

  6. Trying to imagine by Bombula · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm trying to imagine less enjoyable way to read a book than on an electronic screen the size of a post-it, but I'm not having much luck. Maybe the audio version by Fran Drescher?

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  7. Amazon are fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They're incredibly out of touch with reality if they think people are going to pay $399 for a book reader, in addition to paid content/subscription. They might have small chance of success if they offered the device for $99. At the current price, it's nothing more than a curiosity a la AIBO/Segway.

  8. Re:No Thanks by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I believe the Kindle was also going to be the size of a standard paperback book. That means its screen size is going to be a lot more functional for reading than the relatively small size of the iPhone screen.

    When will people get over the iPhone already? Really, it's just a phone.

  9. re: monthly fees, etc. by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think this is nearly the issue you're making it out to be. The iPod touch could offer e-book reading capabilities just like the iPhone, and you need no monthly contract for it. The books could be purchased (or free ones offered online for download) from iTunes on a PC or Mac, and sync'd into the memory of the iPod touch or iPhone to read later - regardless of connectivity during the time you're viewing the book.

    Battery life becomes sort of a non-issue too when you think about it practically. Who is going to read a Kindle for anywhere near the 30 hours of promised battery life, non-stop? If you just recharge your device each night before going to bed, either Kindle or iPod touch/iPhone will get you through hours of reading during the day with no problem.

    The Apple alternatives win out in size/portability too. Sure, the screen is smaller - but it's bright and easily readable. I have the iPhone (currently hacked with 3rd. party apps), and I've already read a book on it using a free e-reader application on it. It's quite usable, and nice because it's always with me. (I'm already going to carry my cellphone all day long, on my belt-clip, so I don't miss calls. It's nice to be able to grab it and read a few pages of a book I'm working on reading whenever I get a few free minutes here and there. I doubt I'd be lugging a book-sized, $400 Kindle with me everywhere I went too, just to accomplish the same thing.)

    I do agree the Kindle could find a great niche market in colleges/universities. It'd sure beat a book-bag full of textbooks. But how durable is it going to be? Can you trust it to work reliably and not develop stuck buttons, a cracked screen, etc. etc. ?

  10. It does support common document formats! by samweber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where do you get the idea that it is "almost entirely proprietary"? If you look at the technical details section, it says it supports "TXT, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), MP3, natively; HTML, DOC, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP, MOBI, PRC through conversion".

  11. Re:No Thanks by FatAlb33rt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure how you got modded troll... perhaps it was someone who is totally in love with the iPhone had mod points and took offense to that last sentence.

    Mods: Read this: If you are the person who modded the above Troll, I suggest you go and read the moderator guidelines. If you think its still justified, how about making a comment as to why you think it still deserves -1, Troll.

    I fuckin hope I get to meta-mod the parents comment.

  12. iPhone versus Sony Reader by toybuilder · · Score: 5, Informative

    My wife and I recently had a new baby, born preemie, and we ended up spending LOTS of time in the hospital. It was driving my wife crazy to not have things to read while staying with the baby. She bought an iPhone so that she could browse the web. A little while later, I bought a Sony Reader (PRS-505, the one that came out only about a month ago) which is like the Kindle in terms of how you would use it while reading.

    After a week, my wife "stole" my Sony Reader, and uses it much more than the iPhone. It's much easier to read a full page of text on the 6" screen with the higher resolution. And, it's easier to use one-handed, because there are dedicated buttons to flip through pages.

    Reading a website on the iPhone reminds me of the bad early days of HTML when people would put large pages inside a scrollable frame, and you were 'looking through a port hole' to see the entire page.

    The other nice thing is that she could read continuously for eight hours. The iPhone, with its backlight, can't do that.

  13. Re:No Thanks by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The iPhone actually isn't just a phone. In fact, it's arguable whether or not it's among the best phones out there. There are phones with simpler--i.e. phone only--interfaces, nicer form factors (little flip phones, for example) and probably better sound, clearer reception, etc.

    The attraction of the iPhone is that it isn't just a phone. I don't have one, and probably won't get one for some time, but there are times--like when I'm traveling--that I would prefer to have one device that fulfills the functions of my Palm, my phone, and my video iPod all at once. The fact that this device does all this and more, including what I believe is a best-of-breed palmtop web access interface, puts it well outside the "just a phone" category.

    But the real point here is not that it's the best thing ever. It's not. The point is that people only have (a) so much money, and (b) so much patience and space for carrying around gadgets. If people didn't want to carry a phone, a palm and an iPod, and consolidated them into an iPhone, then they aren't likely to want to add a new device for reading purposes unless there is something really revolutionary about the device. For someone who has to read on a portable device for a living, I can see them getting this and using it. If it were really cheap, I could see it being a popular gift. If the interface were sleek and simple, maybe it would be successful. But unfortunately, it's not all that awesome, and it's not cheap. I'd be very surprised if it gained more than a tiny niche audience.

    People don't want one more thing to sync, to charge, to update, to carry, to protect. The iPhone is not the best at each thing that it does. However, it's good enough at a lot of things, including, potentially, at being an e-reader, that it's probably going to be tough for an expensive, single-function device to compete with it without some major advances.

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  14. Re:No Thanks by illumin8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I believe the Kindle was also going to be the size of a standard paperback book. That means its screen size is going to be a lot more functional for reading than the relatively small size of the iPhone screen.
    This is something people are missing out on a lot. I have an iPhone, and it's great for mobile web browsing, but reading anything on that screen for longer than an hour or so your hands get cramped just from trying to hold it. The Kindle was designed to be held like a book. When we hold books, we shift the posture of our hands every time we turn a page, or shift from the left page to the right page. Why? Because hands aren't designed to be held crunched up in one position for hours on end. They need to move. Small screens like the iPhone weren't designed for the needs of book readers.

    I feel the need to point out that there's a lot of FUD in the original article as well. I think the Forbes editors might have some AAPL stock perhaps?

    From TFA:

    There are also big questions about the device's wireless connection. The device will tap into fresh content via an EV-DO (Evolution-Data Only) wireless network. Will there be a monthly subscription fee?
    No, they already said there was no monthly fee for wireless access.

    How much of the Web will users be able to surf? Newsweek's Levy was able to download a copy of Charles Dickens' Bleak House from Amazon for $1.99, but anyone with full Web access can get the same title from Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ) Book Search for free.
    Actually, you can download eBooks in text or mobi format for free from the Kindle, so anything on Google book search should be free for the taking. Also, even though you have to subscribe to blogs if you want digital delivery of the content for offline reading, you can still browse to any blog or website and read it right from your Kindle. The only disadvantage: You have to use the next/previous page buttons to scroll up and down the web page. It's a limitation of the e-Ink technology, because you obviously can't smoothly scroll a page with a scroll bar that requires 1 second to update it's screen.

    There is a lot of FUD out there about the Kindle, but I think it's going to be pretty amazing. Can you imagine having every O'Reilly book ever made on the thing, and the ability to do full text search/grep capability through your entire library of technical books? That alone is a killer app.
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  15. Re:Goog by PocketPick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, the iPhone & Google Books competing with an e-Book reader? I own an iPhone and love it, but it's the proposed situation is only possible if you overlook:
      - A 3 inch screen that involves constant movement to see more than one paragraph at "text book" level font sizes
      - A slow EDGE connection (at least an e-Book can cache the entire thing easily).
      - Lousy bookmark system.
      - Poor back & forth or history functionality.

    The iPhone MAY one day compete with these other technologies, but to insist right now that it's everything and a bag of chips is just plain naive.

  16. Re:No Thanks by letxa2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People don't want one more thing to sync, to charge, to update, to carry, to protect.

    That's why I have a Treo, and have had it for years. It can do all the things you mentioned--web browsing, email, MP3 player, video player. In the end, what I value is the phone, the Palm aspect (its calendar, etc.), and I occasionally use the web browsing and email. I used the video player and MP3 player to see that it worked. Then I was done with that. I usually use an Mp3 player when I'm biking and have the MP3 player strapped to my arm, I wouldn't really want my entire life in a $500 unit that could fall off my arm and break. That's what my $150 iPod Nano is for.

    My problem with the iPhone isn't that it isn't a cool toy. It's just nothing particularly exciting considering that similar toys have been available for quite some time.

  17. Re:No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, they can be had for less than half the price of the iPhone, can do everything the iPhone can do, have a ton of 3rd party apps (including one of the iPhone's big selling points, google maps), and are very hackable. Mine also has a slide out keyboard, built in GPS, and 3G. It cost me less than $200 and has better battery life than the iPhone. Sure the UI isn't so simplified that any idiot can use it, but it's quite easy to use if you take the time to figure it out. I'll take the extras over shiny and a nifty on screen keyboard any day.

  18. Re:Goog by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And don't even start me on this minor detail: that most of the defenders of Google Book Search have been all about "how you can't get the fulltext - you can search it, but not read an entire book" as their defence to the wholesale copyright games Google played with this.

    You think if Apple and Google decided to make this available as a feature with GBS that the publishers wouldn't be screaming blue murder (and, in my opinion, rightly so)?

  19. Re:Goog by Sparks23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed. The iPhone is a great phone (and general information-finding device), but peering at it for long periods of time on that tiny screen? No good, not for book-reading. This isn't to say that an iPhone-like solution might not be a really amazing reader... but the iPhone and the Kindle are trying to solve very different problems.

    And as much as 'all-in-one' devices can be nice, sometimes you just make 'all' features suffer by cramming them into 'one' device. I think this is one of those cases; an eBook reader is meant to replace a book, which means it has different requirements (in terms of readability, power-use and form-factor). Trying to cram the functionality into other devices means the functionality suffers.

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