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Researchers Sour on Vista Service Pack 1 Performance

Stony Stevenson passed us a link indicating that a group of researchers has described Microsoft's upcoming Windows Vista Service Pack 1 as basically a performance dud. Researchers from the Devil Mountain Software group is claiming that a series of in-house benchmark tests showed that users hoping to receive a speed boost from the update will be disappointed. "Devil Mountain ran its DMS Clarity Studio framework on a laptop Barth described as a "barn burner" -- dual-core processor, dedicated graphics, and either 1GB or 2GB of memory -- to compare performance of the SP1 release candidate that Microsoft released last week with the RTM version that hit general distribution last January. The Vista RTM was not updated with any of the bug fixes, patches or performance packs that Microsoft has pushed through Windows Update since the operating system's debut. 'One gigabyte, 2GB [of memory], it didn't make a difference,' said [CTO Craig] Barth. 'SP1 was never more than 1% or 2% faster.'"

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  1. Re:Straw Man? by faloi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, they did. In the SP 1 white paper. They talk a lot about some of the specific improvements, and are sort of vague on exactly why there'd be an overall performance increase. They certainly give the impression it would improve overall performance.

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  2. How to "speed up" Vista by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do some research and you'll find you don't need a service pack to tune Vista:

    Turn off: Volume Shadow Copy (files won't be versioned automatically any more), indexing service (rapid searching won't work any more), and SuperFetch (apps wont be pre-loaded and so will start slower, but you'll have more "free memory" on average - a debatable benefit anyway).

    You'll notice XP levels of disc activity (barely any) and lot's more free memory. That's because Vista's not doing anything. Personally, I like to be able to search instantly, have apps load instantly, and have my critical files backed up transparently; so I don't mind the "bloat".

    Anyway, if you actually know how Windows works, you'll know what you don't want running and what you do. Turn off the stuff you don't want, but most people are fine with the defaults even if it means using more resources.

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    1. Re:How to "speed up" Vista by j.sanchez1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do some research and you'll find you don't need a service pack to tune Vista:

      I agree...Black Viper to the rescue. I printed out his list of services for XP and still use it to this day when tweaking systems for friends/family.

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  3. Fixed the headline for you by trifish · · Score: 4, Informative

    Researchers Sour on Vista SP1 RC1 Performance

  4. Re:Straw Man? by trianglman · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. It's fair to call a straw man when someone puts words in someone else's mouth and then defeats that argument. In this example, (I did not RTFA, nor anything else related to this btw)if Microsoft did not say anything about performance, but this group tore MS apart because of a lack of performance improvement, it would be a straw man because this group is attacking a claim MS never made. On the other hand, if MS did say performance would be improved, it wouldn't be. From what others have said, and my own personal expectations of this SP, this is probably a straw man. I wouldn't expect a service pack designed to fix security holes and other issues would by default improve performance significantly. Service packs are, generally, a roll up of all the previous security updates, plus any additional security or features they want to add.

    An example from the wikipedia article:

    An example of a straw man fallacy:
    Person A: I don't think children should play on busy streets.
    Person B: I think that it would be foolish to lock children up all day.
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  5. Re:Straw Man? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps you should google on logical fallacies. All that saying "straw man" means is that someone is making an argument against a claim that was never made. If Microsoft never claimed SP1 would improve performance, than it would truly be a "straw man" criticism to berate them because SP1 does not improve performance, and thus the "straw man" defense is valid. However, if MS *did* tout SP1 as improving performance, then the "straw man" accusation is invalid as the article would have a valid point in pointing out that performance gains appear to be dismal.

    The guy who posted that MS *did* claim performance improvement makes an actual argument that the OP's "straw man" claim *is* invalid, which is perfectly fine. However, you are simply implying that *any* claim of "straw man" is a "diversion tactic", which is not.

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  6. Re:Straw Man? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is what Microsoft specifically claimed about SP1 performance (thanks to faoli for the link):

    Performance
    The following list describes some of the performance improvements that Windows Vista SP1 will include
          Improves the speed of copying and extracting files.
          Improves the time to become active from Hibernate and Resume modes.
          Improves the performance of domain-joined PCs when operating off the domain; in the current release
            version of Windows Vista, users would experience long delays when opening the File dialog box.
          Improves performance of Windows® Internet Explorer® 7 in Windows Vista, reducing CPU utilization and
            speeding JavaScript parsing.
          Improves battery life by reducing CPU utilization by not redrawing the screen as frequently, on certain
            computers.
          Improves the logon experience by removing the occasional 10-second delay between pressing CTL-
            ALT-DEL and the password prompt displaying.
          Addresses an issue in the current version of Windows Vista that makes browsing network file shares
            consume significant bandwidth and not perform as fast as expected.

    Hmm, file shares are slow? Perhaps Microsoft should switch to Samba, which is fast.

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  7. Re:Are we shocked? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The RAM usage at startup for a newly-installed system is simply absurd. 600-700MB is not an exaggeration. The graphics card needs for the new environment (without which it's mostly XP right? It's not like there's a new object-oriented file system in there right?) are quite hgh for most business needs.

    And yet another person who doesn't understand the new memory manager. High levels of allocated memory are a good thing for performance. Coding Horror has a decent primer on all of this, but the short version of the story is that people who are used to how Windows has traditionally handled memory management rather than how an ideal memory manager should work love to complain about Vista being a memory hog when, in fact, I'd suggest that the Vista memory manager may arguably be one of the best out there right now.
  8. Re:Straw Man? by QuietObserver · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you take a look at the link included with the post issued by your GP (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=090DEAF6-2EAA-4AAA-8B3B-2E199DB4A97D&displaylang=en) you'll see that Microsoft did, indeed, promise that Vista SP1 would improve performance, as stated in the following (taken directly from the overview paragraph on that page; emphasis added):

    In addition to previously released updates, SP1 will contain changes focused on addressing specific reliability and performance issues, supporting new types of hardware, and adding support for several emerging standards.

    Therefore, this article cannot be, by any stretch of the imagination, considered a straw man argument.