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Creationists Violating Copyright

The_Rook writes "The Discovery Institute, more a lawyer mill than a scientific institution, copied Harvard University's BioVisions video 'The Inner Life of the Cell,' stripped out Harvard's copyright notice, credits, and narration, inserted their own creationist-friendly narration, and renamed the video 'The Cell As an Automated City.' The new title subtly suggests that a cell is designed rather than evolved."

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  1. Uh, fair use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    That's clearly "fair use" by information wants to be freeeee!-ist standards.

    1. Re:Uh, fair use? by yintercept · · Score: 0, Troll

      There might be some claim of fair use for parody or for educational purposes.

      Showing that you can stick a different narrative to a data set or to a film is a standard part of discourse. Even if intelligent design is fake science, putting a different narrative to data sets is part of the way real science works.

      Scientist A says, "I have a data set and this is what I think happened." Scientist B might take the same thing and say "This story works as well."

      Scientist B's showing that a different narrative works for the data is neither plagiarism nor copyright violation. It is discourse.

      The article in the link was just about the utter contempt the writers feel about any ideas that fall outside the scope of their narrow little minds. I didn't bother watching the videos, but from the info in the blog I wouldn't say Harvard has either a slam dunk case on proving plagiarism or copyright violation. The fact that a copy exists without citations does not mean that the people doing the parody were passing off the work as their own. The parody clearly is not depriving Harvard of anything, which is the real kicker in copyright cases.

      If this video simply exists to show that you can put a different narrative on a piece about cells, then it probably would pass the balancing test. If they were trying to sell it as their own research, it probably would not.

      Of course, what people really want to talk about is how much they hate creationists ... A topic I find boring.

    2. Re:Uh, fair use? by heinousjay · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's so hard to tell what would be true here. Logically, it seems to me that putting effort into creating a derivative work should be more supportable than simply pirating other people's work without doing anything to it.

      But I suppose nobody knows better the feeling of wanting to eat their cake and have it too than defenders of entertainment piracy.

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  2. Slashdot is now KDawson's soapbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    hey fuckhead, good way to put more spin into the slashdot mix. i'll fucking troll this bitch motherfucking cunt. slashdot is a faggot stronghold with fuckheads like kdawson the sack of shit leading the way.
     
    how does it make you feel cmdrdildo that kdawson is making a mockery of your site? why don't you kick this bitch in the balls and send his bitch ass packing?
     
    KDAWSON IS A FUCKING BITCH AND A CUNT

  3. When's the rapture anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    So fuckwads like this group will be gone so this world can actually advance? Better yet wow about a land swap for them? This is open to all assbackwards "religious" people who'd rather live in the fucking stone ages. Take a vote and let them find a place to call home, rest of the world pays for their move while compensating the people who want to move out of that land. Then we'll wall them off with a 50m wide perimeter around their new land and let them devolve into their little theocratic state anyone tries to climb out or cross the nomans land is hosed on sight? Rest of the world advances while that country dies off in 3-5 generations from inbreeding and stupidity from the survivors who manage to live through the my god is better than your god initial phase.

  4. On which day did God create Cells? by edwardpickman · · Score: 1, Troll

    The whole agrument is nuts and in truth doesn't justify a response. "God made it that way" ends all arguments for them so there is no rational thought behind their position. The real fact is there's an ocean of evidence for evolution and the true age of the Earth on one side and "God did it" on the other side. Where's the debate? The only evidence presented is heavily distorted scientific evidence. Gee sedimentary layers were left over from the great flood. Why are there different layers and different forms of life in each layer? No good response. Cells are very complex highly organized and self repairing, only a genius could have planned them. Or maybe it took a few billion years of trial and error? Why is this fictional date that some one came up with hundreds of years ago so important? It's not mentioned in the Bible he deduced it by adding up ages of the men listed in Genesis, some of them living nearly a thousand years which presents it's own set of problems. There is no form of evidence that will ever change their minds so there's no debate. They can complain all they want that science won't change but that's like trying to talk some one with a winning poker hand into the fact they just lost. Science doesn't need faith they have something far better, the facts.

  5. "We're Right But They're Bigots" Continues by Soloact · · Score: -1, Troll

    So, when a darwinist copies something, it's fair-use, but if a creationist copies something it's a copyright violation? Is this "story" going to be a forum for this-group bashing that-group? It sure looks as if it is intended to be such, as it was modded up enough in the "Firehose" to make it to Slashdot's front page. What always gets me is that one group will flame another group, then call it bigotry if that group flames them back, or disagrees with them. This goes for copyrighted material users, file-sharers/industry, race, religion, Operating Systems, etc. Just read the posts above this one and you'll see a lot of bashing already in progress. See bigotry at its' finest. I wouldn't be surprised if my post gets modded down.

  6. God did it... by Undead+Ed · · Score: 0, Troll

    God spontaneously made the copyrights disappear.

    They could make that argument work for 45% of the US population.

    Ed

  7. The goal(s) of Creationism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Realistically speaking, they chose to throw "city" in the title to further anthropomorphize EVERY.FUCKING.THING. As if "making" the workings of the universe in our own image wasn't enough (and then calling ourselves made in the image of the creator, har har), anything that steps outside of this narcissistic boundary is deemed heretical and vile. Too bad that same self-centered view often leads to the very acts that the deistic religions condemn.

    Also too bad that there is no way a respectable judge would rule in favor of the defendant here. It isnt exactly education when the point of the video is to expose a world view based completely (ostensibly) on faith and opinion, not things that can be proven or at least supported via the scientific method, the thing that makes science SCIENCE.

  8. It's actually quite simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Either you're a scientist, or you're religious. You cannot be both.

    Either you are committed to the scientific method, or you accept things based on faith. Again, no room for both.

    If a hypothesis cannot withstand the rigours of scientific method, it must be discarded. When somebody refuses to let go of a cherished belief that has no basis in fact, they cannot justifiably claim to be a scientist.

    No doubt I'll be pummelled here by the Christian Scientists for the "sin" of mentioning the bloody obvious, but that is their problem, not mine: I'm not the one pretending to be a scientist while professing belief in superstitions.

    CAPTCHA = atheism. Some kind of ./ joke? Whatever, I screengrabbed it for posterity! :)

  9. Re:Not merely copyright violation by ShakaUVM · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, when science beat religion in Nazi German, it was great! ...

    Oh wait, no it wasn't. You got Mengele, poster child for science without restraint.

  10. Re:Slashdot complaining about copyright violations by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: -1, Troll

    * Copyright violation (at least as far as taking credit for others' work; we'll ignore the issue of piracy) is bad for reasons that don't warrant an explanation

    This is not true. Unless you want to argue that they're beyond merely naive. You and I both know that p2p wouldn't exist if you couldn't "steal" other's works with it (i somewhat agree that it's stealing, it's stealing money, not the amount the riaa claims, but it *is* stealing money).

    * The RIAA is bad because they're suing innocent people, and suing for much more than actual damages

    You and I both know they're not innocent. I agree the riaa overstates the damage (obviously), but to say these people are innocent is beyond stupid. And while I don't agree with spying on people, i fully agree the riaa has the right to "trap" p2p networks and sue the people who download from them.

  11. I like this story better when the headline read: by hawks5999 · · Score: 0, Troll
    Backlash as EMI Hunts Down the Grey Album

    Funny how it's fair use when you like the cause and copyright violation when you don't.

  12. Re:It was planned. by piedmont67 · · Score: -1, Troll

    airpeepee strikes again!! He has no science, just his atheism and he thinks science somehow supports it or more specifically, Darwinism. His real problem is science since not only does it not support something coming from nothing, it definitely warms against the use of pot.