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NASA Requires JPL Scientists To Give Up Right To Privacy

Markmarkmark writes "Wired is reporting that all NASA JPL scientists must 'voluntarily' (or be fired) sign a document giving the government the right to investigate their personal lives and history 'without limit'. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists this includes snooping into sexual orientation, mental & physical health as well as credit history and 'personality conflict'. 28 senior NASA scientists and engineers, including Mars Rover team members, refused to sign by the deadline and are now subject to being fired despite a decade or more of exemplary service. None of them even work on anything classified or defense related. They are suing the government and documenting their fight for their jobs and right to personal privacy."

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  1. Very Inappropriate by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Informative

    These guys are scientists, not super secret spies. Besides, a clean slate is no guarantee a rocket scientist isn't going to go psycho after getting dumped and stalk his ex. Also sets a horrible precedent for other top-tier science fields.

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    1. Re:Very Inappropriate by davidsyes · · Score: 4, Informative

      See these:

      http://www.ntc.doe.gov/cita/CI_Awareness_Guide/S5improp/Ci.htm#Counterintelligence

      By the Numbers:

      http://www.ntc.doe.gov/cita/CI_Awareness_Guide/Treason/Numbers.htm#Espionage%20by%20the%20Numbers

      Get this:

      "Here are a few additional highlights from this database that give us additional understanding about motivations and situational factors leading to espionage:

              * Over 42% of the offenders are known to have been involved in drug or alcohol abuse. The actual figure may be higher, as there are many cases in which the unclassified record is insufficient to make a judgment on this subject. Those who were caught before classified information was even passed were more likely to be substance abusers than those who succeeded in committing espionage.

              * Of the 148 offenders, 6 were homosexual, 106 heterosexual, and the sexual orientation of the remaining 36 is not known from the unclassified record. Homosexuality is not known to have been a significant factor in any of the cases.

              * Volunteer spies were more likely to fail in their effort to pass information to foreign interests. Almost 40% of the volunteers were caught in the act, whereas only 7% of the recruited spies were intercepted before they could damage national security."

      Repeat for emphasis:

              * Of the 148 offenders, 6 were homosexual...

      I saw a flyer, around 1991, stating that of ALL the known cases of espionage, treason, and similar, some 98%-99% of the persons caught/convicted/shut down were:

      -white
      -make
      -heterosexual
      -Christian

      This seems to turn on its head the "susceptibility of homosexual" prospects/targets.... But, don't have to believe me, just look at the section "By the Numbers" and look at drug abuser risk, etc.

      It seems to me the DIA/NSA/DIS/NIS/et al can do all the searching they want WITHOUT dicking around in the private lives of scientists or military personnel. Just keep burning those who screw up, and let the others "be on the best behavior".

      But, somehow I think the government is just pursuing this as another component of wrecking the public tenuous thread to rights and expectations of privacy and anonymity.

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  2. Re:Oh no... obviously not important... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Informative

    How long would it take the average person to realize that the scientists had all walked out, though?

    It's not like Tang would disappear, or their car's GPS system would suddenly turn off. It's just that things wouldn't advance. Progress would grind to a halt, but it's not like the immediate "oh shit" effect you get, when the garbagemen don't show up on Monday morning.

    Probably the first thing most people would know is when they get told to start learning Mandarin, because their company just got bought.

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  3. JPL!=government & 9th circuit already blocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    (insert standard diatribe about clueless slashdot editors and even-more-clueless slashdot readers/commentors)

    1. JPL is not the government
    2. the scientists this would have applied to are the subset of JPL employees who do not work with classified material
    3. many of this subset of JPL employees specifically elected years ago not to work with classified material because they didn't want to go through the clearance processes
    4. all the way back in October the US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit blocked (URL:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/06/AR2007100601372.html/) this directive thereby obsolescing the portion of submitter's summary claim that these scientists were in danger of being fired at any moment for not having signed the permission slips by the due date.

  4. Re:Easy fix by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus

    "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it" . The Southern States breaking away from the Union and firing on a Federal Fort sounds like "rebellion" to me.

    and created an income tax

    "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration"

    You won't get any argument out of me that the original intent behind the Constitution has been/is being subverted. My favorite example is the interstate commerce clause becoming a blank check for Congress to do whatever they want (like controlling what I can put into my own body as a consenting adult). But using the income tax and Lincoln as your examples doesn't seem very justifiable.

    Most of the examples I can think of (the Controlled Substances Act and the use of highway funding to blackmail state legislatures being the two that come to mind) are recent inventions.

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  5. Re:good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even HSPD12 isn't that ridiculous. It states that it must be implemented consistent with 5 U.S.C. 552a, which if you read section (b), is completely incompatible with the NASA process being described.

    IANAL, but it sounds like there weren't any smart lawyers behind this idea anyway.