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Minor Leak Being Investigated Aboard the ISS

Josh Fink writes "Space.com is reporting that the International Space Station has a minor atmosphere leak. 'An inspection of a vestibule bridging the station's new Harmony connecting module and NASA's Destiny laboratory indicated a slight air leak of about three pounds (1.3 kilograms) per day ..A close-up inspection of the vestibule seal by the station's three-astronaut Expedition 16 crew using an ultrasonic leak detector found no trace of a leak on Wednesday, [NASA spokesperson Lynette Madison] said. Studies of the station's overall internal pressure also found no signs of decay, she added.' While this is yet another technical issue with the ISS, when will this end? I am all for the space program, but there have been some major issues lately."

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  1. pin sized hole hard to reach by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    While this is yet another technical issue with the ISS, when will this end? I am all for the space program, but there have been some major issues lately."
    it's probably a leak about the size of a needle hole hidden somewhere out of reach with a simple leak test. it wouldn't need much, 1.3 kg of air is about 1 cubic meter in size leaking over a day's time. considering there's about 10N/cm^2 force and the force exerted by a moving column of air is mv^2 while the density m is 1.28 kg/m^3 solving for the size of a hole required to vent the gas is about 2mm in diameter if back of the envelope calculations are correct [probably not but you get my point]
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    1. Re:pin sized hole hard to reach by kebes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds about right. I just ran it through some simple effusion equations (kinetic gas laws). Assuming that the amount of air escaping is 1.3 kg (1.14 m^3), and that the volume of the room it is escaping from is ~200 m^3 (apparently the total final size of the ISS is 1000 m^3), and that the ISS is pressurized to 101.3 kPa (the Wikipedia article says that it is), then we can calculate the time for 1/200 of the air (0.5%) to escape, as a function of the hole diameter. It turns out that a hole of diameter 0.15 mm will lead to that kind of rate of pressure loss (1 m^3 in the first day).

      Needles to say, the effusion equations have various assumptions built into them, and I had to make all kinds of assumptions about the values... but at least to within order-of-magnitude, this suggests a pinhole-sized leak.


      Details for anyone who cares: The effusion equation can be derived similar to the conventional gas law expressions, by calculating the number of molecules per unit area that impinge on a wall section of a certain size (the hole). (We assume a container in vacuum, so that any molecule that impinges on the hole is lost irreversibly to the outside.) The equation, as you might expect, turn out to be exponential decays (since the derivation incorporates the decreasing internal pressure as air is lost):

      N(t)/N_total = exp( -(A/V)*sqrt(k*T/2*pi*m)*t )

      or

      t = ( -(V/A)*sqrt(2*pi*m/k*T) )*ln(N(t)/N_total)

      where:
      t, time (until the given loss of atmosphere)
      V, volume of container
      A, surface area of hole
      m, mass of gas molecules
      T, temperature (~300 K for room temperature)
      k, Boltzmann constant
      N(t), # molecules at time t
      N_total, total # molecules (initial quantity)

  2. Pound != 0.454 Kilogram on the ISS by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTA: "a slight air leak of about three pounds (1.3 kilograms) per day".
    I hate to break it to this reporter, but on the ISS, a pound is a large number of kilograms, since they are in microgravity. Pound is a unit of weight, and gram is a unit of mass. The conversion between them depends on the gravity that the object is experiencing, which in this case is almost none, so the 1.3 kilograms of air is almost 0 pounds.

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  3. Re:3 lbs a day!? by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    air has a density of about 1.28 kilograms per cubic meter so 1.3 kilograms of air occupies a space just over 1 cubic meter in size, in this case it is 35.9 cubic feet of air to be exact. The fact it has some easily measurable density allows for helium balloons to remain in the air as well as airplanes to shuffle large amounts of air around to create significant lift. the amount of energy air turbines generate depends on the density of air being as high as it is otherwise the airspeed required to produce any amount of power would be much higher if the density were lower.

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  4. Re:Pound != 0.454 Kilogram on the ISS by turgid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Pound is a unit of weight, and gram is a unit of mass.

    My dad, who is from the Olden Days when people used pounds and inches, and an Engineer, says that there exists a "pound-mass" and a "pound-force" and the reader is expected to have the wit, depending on context, to distinguish between them.

  5. Even More Informative!! by JLDohm · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the ever reliable Wikipedia, a pound is defined to be 453.59237 grams (pound(mass)), OR 4.4482216152605 newtons (pound(force)).
    We'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that the ISS isn't completely devoid of air.

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  6. Re:Mod parent up! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thats pounds mass. Gas quantities were measured that way all through the Apollo program.

  7. OT, thread hijack- Evel Knievel dead at age 69 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A great American daredevil icon, who was capturing the hearts of Americans during the same time NASA Apollo programs were going strong in the 1970's, Robert "Evel" Knievel has died this afternoon at age 69. God rest his soul. What does this have to do with the ISS? Not much except I grew up in the 70's with both the space program and EK influencing my childhood.

    As a motorcycle-riding, space program loving geek, I'll jump a curb or something in his honor on my ride home from work, and raise a glass to his memory this evening.

  8. Re:these problems are the reason we need ISS by stevied · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the 2nd space station...

    2nd?

  9. Re:these problems are the reason we need ISS by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Informative

    Second space station that NASA has been involved with.