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DS Games for Pre-readers?

ProfJonathan writes "My daughter just got a DS from the grandparents for her 6th birthday. She's only beginning to read, but wants a bunch of games of her own rather than just playing her older brothers' games. She got Nintendogs with the DS, so that's taken care of, but other relatives are asking what she might want. Can anyone recommend some good DS games that don't require reading skill, that might be age-appropriate and interesting for a 1st grade girl?" Wouldn't it be creepy if the kid had a really good brain age?

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  1. Ummmm by inSpecter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is 6 and cannot read? I would focus on that part first before letting her play games.

  2. reading by digitalderbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DS games that don't require reading skill

    Why not make this a good opportunity to teach her how to read -- you're never too young to learn. If she encounters something she can't read, read it for her, or you can sit next to her as she plays the game. It's a great way to get kids to read without making them feel like it's a chore. The animation of the scenarios can help her understand what she's reading too.

    To answer your question, I believe the new Super Mario would be a good choice.
  3. Wouldn't it be creepy? Sure it would.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Wouldn't it be creepy if the kid had a really good brain age?

    If she is six and cannot read then I doubt it....

  4. Age 6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm, I have a few friends with a 2-1/2 and 3 year olds. They're already starting to teach their kids to read. You may want to focus on that instead of giving her games. Buy her some books. Let her play the DS after spending 30-60 minutes of time a day working on reading.

    1. Re:Age 6? by Sibko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let her play the DS after spending 30-60 minutes of time a day working on reading. No, do not do this. Reading should never be related to work. She should not be 'forced' to read for an hour if she wants to play her games. That turns reading into a chore, and she won't want to do it.
    2. Re:Age 6? by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, but the millions of people in prison and the tens of millions of fat asses who do nothing but watch TV and stuff their faces with McDonald's should be proof that this method of teaching is a failure. We've had 40 years of liberals telling us "we have to make education fun!" and we created a generation of idiots.

      Life IS work. The easy life of post-WWII American is over. Parents must teach their children discipline and fortitude. They must be hardened to the reality that the world is difficult and that only with appropriate discipline can one hope to succeed.

      You must push children as to the basics of life. Even the baby bird does not want to learn to fly. It is the way of things.

    3. Re:Age 6? by rothbart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a parent of a 6 yr old girl myself that is a great "phonetic" speller and budding reader, I think a lot of you are COMPLETELY overreacting over this. My daughter is very close to reading... she can read age appropriate books. Actually "read", not memorize. But honestly, when you're 6, reading is a bit of a chore and it's not hard to understand it might be "fun" to actually have some ENTERTAINMENT in addition to the total-stranger-advocated-reading-tutorials some of you seem to be pushing. Remember, this guy is already asking about things that might be appropriate for his daughter... To me (another parent), it seems he's someone that already "gives a damn" about his child and her upbringing... I think it's a bit much to assume he's asking for a videogame babysitter to occupy his illiterate child.

      I came to this thread because _I_ just picked up a DS for _my_ 6 yr old daughter and was hoping for more constructive discussion instead of people focusing on his daughter learning to read... my guess is most of you don't have kids, think your friends' kids make you qualified to speak, or have long-since blurred the ability/age connection associated with your kids at that age... 6 yrs old and not being a fluent reader is TOTALLY normal... visit your kid's school for an afternoon if you need a wake-up call. Not to mention that a majority of the games geared at that age group are total garbage.

      Thank you for those of you that suggested games... to those that made "teach your daughter to read" comments, parent your OWN children.

  5. She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised that she's only beginning to read at age 6. Myself and most of my friends were reading Hardy Boys books at that age. My son just turned 3 now, and he's quite able to read Berenstein Bears and similar books by himself. My nephew is 5, and he just finished his first Goosebumps book.

    It's too late to rectify the situation now, but your daughter probably should have started to read when she was two or three years old. By the time she's six, she should be quite able to read newspapers, magazines, and novels the size of the Hardy Boys books.

    You should get her involved in a local library group for children, where they read actual books. Some of these programs reward children for the more books that they read, which provides the incentive necessary for some children. Of course, many children just end up reading because they enjoy it.

    1. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoa there, way to make someone feel bad.

      When you start to read has very little relation to reading ability later, my son didn't really learn till 6, he was quite late compared to some in his class, now he's ahead of them, a whole 2 years later.

    2. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Orange+Crush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trick isn't getting a kid to read as early as possible, it's getting them to *want* to learn to read and continue reading. What did it for me was when my parents finally bought a computer. I was 5 or 6, IIRC. Back in the DOS days it was awfully difficult to get around unless you could read. I was determined to learn to read so I could play with it. I've been a voracious reader ever sense. And I beat Mickey's Space Adventure before my older sister did and bragged like hell about it for months. (Yeah, I was a bit of a little twerp that way. ;D).

      Get the kid as many good games with lots of text as possible. Buy her any book she wants and keep encouraging her to read to her heart's content. Don't get pushy. You don't want her to equate reading with "you're not leaving this table until you eat those brussel sprouts!" If she learns to love reading, she'll have a much easier time in school and might just grow up to be smart enough to take good care of you when you're old and senile. ;)

    3. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by EtoilePB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could read books at age 3. My ex-boyfriend couldn't read until he was in the 3rd grade, aged 9. Guess what? In our late 20s, we're both voracious readers (I finished my 80th book of the year last night!); he went to an Ivy League school and I've got a master's from a respectable enough university.

      Not all kids learn on the same pace. And many adult gamers are ALSO voracious readers. (There's more text in some Japanese RPGs than in all of War and Peace, I swear.) I wouldn't go freaking out about the 6-year-old's DS and criticizing someone's parenting because of it.

  6. Why would you want games that don't have reading? by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've left me wondering why you want recommendations of games that don't involve reading. Six years old is hardly too young to be learning how to read. If anything, you want games that will help teach reading. So what you really want is a game that has reading in it, but can still be understood even by a gamer who isn't a good reader yet. There are many games that fit that bill. As a suggestion, check out Meteos. It's a really great puzzle game with five different levels of difficulty (so she'll be able to win it at least on the lowest level), and after completing the campaign mode, there are a multitude of all-text epilogues explaining how your victory (or lack thereof) in the final level affected events. That's a great way to practice reading. You can sit down with her and read it for her when she's playing; it'll be a good lesson, and she'll be interested because she'll want to know how the game ended up.

    Incidentally, I first learned the word "Congratulations" when it popped up at the end of a particularly hard Game Boy game I had been playing for a long while (this was when I was really young). I asked my dad what it said. After that, I was more proud of being able to read such a long word than at having beaten the game.

  7. Re:buy her a book by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I wish I could mod up the second half of your post. Parental involvement is vital to teaching reading. If you are not reading books with your children then you giving them a serious disadvantage in modern society. That said, if she is six then you are about four years too late. The original poster is either a negligent parent, or his daughter has serious learning difficulties. If the latter is the case then he should get her to a child psychologist, who can probably give him some good recommendations for games that will be beneficial to her. If it's the former, then making her spend more time without parental attention will not help matters at all.

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  8. Good lord by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I played video games a LOT when I was a teenager, but it's stories like this that make me extremely happy that my eight year old boy loves going outside, building stuff with wood, taking things apart, reading books, and generally hates video games from the times he's gone over to his friends' houses.

    It's only later in life that I realized that video games are basically mental sugary sweets. They're empty entertainment that exist solely to cause your mental wheels to spin. I don't subscribe to them being actively harmful, but the lost opportunity cost for growth is significant.

    I personally think this DS needs to "accidentally" get thrown in the bathtub, and then replace it with reading, crafts, piano lessons, etc.

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  9. Don't Give In On Duplicates by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If she wants other games than already exist in the family collection, that's reasonable. But if she just wants her own copy of a game her brother already has, a firm "No" is necessary.

    Better to have her learn at a young age the difference between reasonable, and unreasonable, demands. Fail here, and you'll pay an ever more expensive price each year for decades to come.

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  10. Electroplankton by makapuf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a really good "game" for a younger (starting from three), I let my son play with it. It doesn't focus on 'winning', 'baddies', killing people or whatever, it is just an introduction to music, sounds, ... He LOVES it.

    Of course, he likes also me playing with him to it, and making mario boucing into walls at super mario world really makes him laugh.

  11. a more pressing problem in America by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You exemplify a growing trend for people to spend way too much fucking time raising everyone else's kids.

    How about you just worry about your own, let he worry about his, while I worry about mine?

    You OK with that, champ?

    Or would you really prefer that everyone else tell you what to do with your own children, too? I'm sure that no matter what you say about them, I can find something sufficiently abnormal about your statement to feed a steady stream of admonishment toward you, your children, and your methods of raising a family...

    But I won't. It's not my job to raise your kids.

    1. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Wumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as my tax money pays for your kid's education, your kid's education is my problem. Our society thinks that how children are educated is everyone's problem, because if you (hypothetically speaking) are content not to teach your child how to read, write, do arithmetic and not beat up the other children and she grows up to become a burden on society, then she's a burden on society and society thinks that something should be done about it. Like telling you to educate your kids.

      While you could make the argument that this is nobody's business but your own, and that YOU don't want to pay for other people's children's education or medical insurance, it seems that enough Americans think otherwise and don't want to change it. As things stand now, society at large takes an interest in how you raise your kids. Deal with it.

    2. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hate to break it to you "champ", but raising children has always been a community affair ever since the earliest humans began living and working together in groups.

      The community has gotten a lot larger and more impersonal over the past several thousand years, but just like back then we still all share the cost for raising children. It is in the group's best interest for every child to grow up and become a productive member of the group, so we share responsibility for it.

      The problem I think is that society has gotten a lot more possessive throughout history. While our earliest hunter-gatherer ancestors would have regarded children as belonging to the tribe, today we have a "Stay the fuck away from MY children! MINE MINE MINE!" attitude.

    3. Re:a more pressing problem in America by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While our earliest hunter-gatherer ancestors would have regarded children as belonging to the tribe, today we have a "Stay the fuck away from MY children! MINE MINE MINE!" attitude.


      I agree with this point. And I like your tribal analogy. Let us continue to develop it:

      This isn't just someone from the local tribe handing out some well-meaning advice, but something far more global.

      It is very different, and anyone would be a fool to think otherwise. Getting unsolicited advice about child development from a neighbor or a loved one (ala "from the local tribe") is a totally separate thing from being ridiculed on a global forum by a complete stranger (as if from some far-away tribe).

      In the former case, such advice should, of course, be welcomed. In latter? It's not their business, and they should stay the hell out of it -- they've got their own tribe to worry about.

      My own children are my own responsibility, and I choose to share some of that responsibility with people whom I know and trust. And it should be bloody obvious, but none of those trusted souls are random people on Teh Intarweb.

  12. Re:Slashdot Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nobody knows how to raise kids the first time, many not even the second time. Seemingly its getting worse with all the daycare crap these days, but a parent with a 3 year old isn't going to be better at raising a 10 year old than the master of the basement.

    While I wholeheartedly agree that getting outside the house while young is important, so is reading and these days games can serve as a nice portable substitute for picture books, and a good game can draw a child in a lot better than most picture books will which will be more conducive to wanting to read more.

    That said kudos on asking for help, great step to take as a lot of parents don't do it for the same reason we wouldn't put our hand up in school, because they'd look dumb. At the end of the day of course the kid with his hand in the air was the better student and the parent who asks others for guidance is going to raise their kid better.

    As for some good - I really stress that introducing your kid to good quality entertainment is important as it'll affect the development of their sense of humour and artistic values - DS games that should encourage reading I recommend Dragon Quest Rocket Slime as it has text but won't require a dictionary on hand, its designed for kids but plays well enough for anybody. For games that don't really have any text Mario and Kirby games are good choices. That said to further the reading Pokemon and Zelda are good choices, but you'll most likely need to play with her, which is what you should be doing anyway. Picross, Tetris and Warioware would be relatively mentally stimulating games for a child.