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Peru Orders 260K OLPCs, Mexico to Get 50K

eldavojohn writes "Perhaps in response to recent news that the lawsuit against the OLPC may be a scam, Peru's government has announced they want 260,000 OLPCs and a Mexican billionaire by the name of Carlos Slim has also asked for 50,000 that he wishes to distribute in Mexico. Things are looking good for the OLPC."

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  1. CompUSA by xzvf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since Slim owns CompUSA, maybe he's creating new customers.

    1. Re:CompUSA by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since Slim owns CompUSA, maybe he's creating new customers.
      Except that the OLPC systems run Linux. What are the chances of finding someone at CompUSA who would know anything about them? Might as well take it to 7/11.

      And I don't think that the OLPC systems have much need for the $20 CompUSA printer cables, either*.


      *I know from having previously worked at CompUSA (#787, Minnetonka, MN) that the markup was at least 10-fold on printer cables, which far, far, exceeded the margin on the printers - or just about anything else in the store except for CD jewel cases.
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    2. Re:CompUSA by lymond01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except that the OLPC systems run Linux. What are the chances of finding someone at CompUSA who would know anything about them? Might as well take it to 7/11.

      And if a computer tech from a major store can't figure out GUI linux, how can we expect it to make inroads into mass market?

      I have some hope...if we can incorporate texting into the command line, we may be able to hook an entire generation of kids:

      user@ubuntubox:~$ what r u
      Description: Ubuntu 6.10

      user@ubuntubox:~$ sup
      top - 14:36:37 up 39 days, 4:21, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
      Tasks: 70 total, 2 running, 68 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
      Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

      user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu
      This server is going down for shutdown NOW!

  2. If you had read the other article... by Stony+Stevenson · · Score: 4, Informative

    If people had bothered to read the "OLPC Lawsuit-Bringer Has Past Fraud Conviction" (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/03/0526202) article, they would have seen that it mentioned Peru's and Mexico's purchasing plans.

    1. Re:If you had read the other article... by dvice_null · · Score: 5, Funny

      > If people had bothered to read the ... article

      This is Slashdot. Not even the editors read the articles. There are only 10 people here who read the articles. First is the submitter and the other is you.

    2. Re:If you had read the other article... by edittard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Incorrect, the submitters always read the articles. If they didn't, then once in a while an accurate summary would arise by pure dumn luck.

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  3. Re:OLPC Needs Appropriate Softare by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dude, you're comparing apples and washing machines. One is a laptop to teach third world children, the other is a PDA killer. Just because they're both small, cheap and run Linux doesn't mean they're aimed at anything like the same market.

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  4. Re:Mexico is only ordering 50K? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mexico is only ordering 50K?

    Er...

    and a Mexican billionaire by the name of Carlos Slim has also asked for 50,000 that he wishes to distribute in Mexico.

    The article didn't mention Mexico ordering any. Someone ordered them to be distributed in Mexico.

  5. Richest man not just "some Mexican billionaire" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Carlos Slim recently surpassed Bill Gates as the world's richest man. I found it sort of jarring that whoever wrote the summary hadn't seemed to have heard of him.

    1. Re:Richest man not just "some Mexican billionaire" by handsomepete · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about that would be so jarring? The fact that there are people that don't actually care about or track how much wealth other people have?

    2. Re:Richest man not just "some Mexican billionaire" by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Earl of Northumberland (who owns the City of London amongst other things) is probably the richest man in the world.


      The title "Earl of Northumberland" is, per Wikipedia at least, a subsidiary title of the Dukes of Northumberland since Hugh Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, was created Duke of Northumberland in 1766 and his heirs to this day retain that title; the present Duke had, as of sometime in 2005, an estimated wealth on the order of 300 million GBP, which is something like two orders of magnitude less than Carlos Slim's fortune.

      (As for the City of London, I was under the impression that it had been a corporate city for many centuries, and not "owned", even the sense that a purely titular feudal holding might be said to be "owned", by anyone, save, in the sense that this is true of all land in England, the Crown.)

  6. Carlos Slim by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Carlos Slim is not Mexico, in much the same way as Bill Gates is not the United States.

    1. Re:Carlos Slim by grassy_knoll · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but he does have Olympic medals in both Limbo and Sex... ... err, wait.. that's Barbados Slim...

      [badum-ching]

  7. OLPC Language Suite by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me, a language learning software package for deployment in Mexico would be the killer app. Mexico should have a leg up on India and China when it comes to importing stuff to the United States. Mexico is much closer and the time difference isn't much if any. Mexico is getting shoved out of nearly all markets however due to their inability to compete. China is shoving them out of the goods market because of their low prices (and associated poor environmental and human practices). India is beating them on call centers because many Indians are willing to learn English and have a chance to do so- something most Mexicans can not or will not.

    Mass adoption of English as a second language could give Mexico the enormous economic boost that India has enjoyed in recent years. Can the OLPC fill this gap in Mexican education? Will Mexicans care to learn English? I doubt it. There may soon be a time when large numbers of Indians stop immigrating to the US because there are plenty of good jobs in India. It would be nice to think that Mexico could get to that point too.

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    1. Re:OLPC Language Suite by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, a lot of these workers in India are "willing to learn English" because it's their birth tongue.

    2. Re:OLPC Language Suite by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [...] the thing I dislike the most is that I see a great many of the illegal aliens and coming in and not integrating. That's why we have Spanish on all sorts of menus and signs here in the middle of the country where there is no good reason: for people who aren't integrating.

      The rates of English adoption by immigrants and their children in the USA are at all-time highs. What the hell are you talking about?

      The reason there's all that much Spanish language stuff isn't because immigrants aren't learning English. It's because the first generation immigrants will always be better at Spanish than English, and you get a competitive advantage selling them stuff if you use Spanish.

  8. 260k? Get the 1 Meg version dammit by thewils · · Score: 3, Funny

    They'll find they can run a lot more programs concurrently. Don't believe all that '640k is enough for anybody' bumf.

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  9. Re:Wha?! by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought they swore that taxpayers would never pay for OLPC? That was one of the main selling points, originally.


    No, in fact, the whole point of the project from the outset was the main market was going to be direct, bulk sales to governments (specifically, national ministries of education) who would distribute them on a one-per-child basis in their educational systems, the reasoning being that only by selling in that manner would (1) they get big enough orders, and (2) the laptops being fully integrated into the educational system to give the most advantage to students and educators.
  10. Good For Peru! by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I travelled briefly in Peru in 2005 and saw the crushing poverty both in and out of the cities. It's worse out of the cities, and not uncommon to see houses with no electricity and water delivered from wells.

    In Cuzco begging is rife, and the kids usually try to sell something to justify giving them money. Postcards are pretty popular. These kids are smart too, learning enough English to have a conversation and show their sense of humour. I think that giving them an opportunity to learn valuable skills can only be a good thing for them and for their country.

  11. Intel should be ashamed by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Intel and Microsoft should be ashamed for their attempts to poison this fantastic project.

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    1. Re:Intel should be ashamed by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah-sayers like you need to STFU and get some education. If you can't see the benefit of giving an entire freakin' library of books to every child in the third world then you're never going to get it.

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    2. Re:Intel should be ashamed by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, see, the problem is massive, and stupid, economic rationalism. People in western societies think everything has a dollar value and everything is interchangeable because of it. Rather than say "wow, look at what these computer hardware people are doing for the third world" they say "imagine what that money could be used for instead." Rather than say "look at what is being done to educate these children" they say "imagine what that money could be used for instead." It's a false assumption of economy.

      Add to that the western obsession with silver bullet solutions. There has to be one thing that we can do that will eliminate poverty. We have to summarize the problem otherwise it can't be solved. So when people look at the OLPC they immediately come to the conclusion that it won't solve the problem. They ignore all the things that it does do and focus entirely on what it doesn't do. So you get people asking how an education program is going to help provide food or clean water or sanitary drainage or stable government or any of the many other, unrelated, problems in the third world. What's especially annoying is that some people feel the need to answer these accusations with silver bullet answers. "Education will solve all those problems!" and when they are pressed to explain how, they fail, and the issue becomes somehow about whether or not education is the silver bullet or not and whether some other competing silver bullet solution is better. And in all the debate, nothing gets done.

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  12. Re:So... orders make it less of a scam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've seen the OLPC and I can assure you that it works.

    The OLPC is a (non-profit) response to the need to educate children in developing countries. Intel's Classmate is a (for-profit) response to an inexpensive PC that doesn't use Intel's CPUs. Microsoft's $30 Windows/Office package is a (for-profit) response to a free operating system that is "making the news". Can you see the difference? Neither Intel or Microsoft would have created their responses if OLPC did not exist. Why would they?

  13. Re:OLPC Needs Appropriate Softare by rbanffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The XO is not a computer. It's a teaching tool.

    The EeePC is a very inexpensive and small notebook computer.

    they are entirely different beasts.

    The Eee has ha UMPC screen (480x800) while the XO has much higher resolution one designed to consume less power and to be readable under direct sunlight. It also sports a next to indestructible design and mesh networking hardware. The Eee is just a low-power (and underpowered) notebook.

    Not to say I don't like it. In fact, I would like to have both.

    But the EeePC's technology points towards the present - there is nothing new in it except the price. The XO points towards the future. And we all know the future is a much cooler place.

  14. A mexican Billionaire... by mkirsch · · Score: 3, Funny
  15. Re:Wha?! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why else would he be so angry at Intel for producing the Classmate PC? Surely there is a large enough market for low-end, affordable laptops...

    He's mad about the Classmate PC because making a "low-end, affordable laptop" is most emphatically not the point. The point is to make a tool for learning, which places the emphasis on the software and the collaboration that the system (as a combination of hardware and software) allows.

    In other words, he's mad because the Classmate PC is merely an attempt to indoctrinate a new set of kids into the Intel/Microsoft closed-source and commercial hegemony, while his goal is to give the kids a tool they can modify themselves as they see fit.

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  16. Re:who really gets these laptops? by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

    The OLPC project requires the laptops to go to children, and become the property of the child. There is also an excellent security system called BitFrost which makes stolen laptops essentially useless.

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  17. Re:Wha?! by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay great, but now let's look at the real world where the majority of citizens accept that some form of tax exists in their government and would prefer that their tax dollars, which they already have to pay, are put to good use.