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Did SCO Get Linux-mob Justice?

An anonymous reader writes "According to Fortune's legal blogger Roger Parloff, "once in awhile a judicial ruling comes down that's so wrong at such a basic level that you're just left scratching your head". He claims that Judge Kimball's "102-page ruling (about SCO) was greeted with widespread rejoicing and I-told-you-so's", but "the problem is not that Judge Kimball's view of the facts is wrong". Was the ruling unfair?"

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  1. Link to said ruling by oahazmatt · · Score: 4, Informative
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  2. He seems to have missed the point by terrymr · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I understand it copyrights can only be transferred by contract where there is explicit language transferring the copyright. Sco was arguing for an "implied" transfer which as far as I know isn't allowed in copyright law. Therefore everybody's testimony is irrelevant absent an agreement which explicitly transfered the copyrights to Sco.

    Caldera knew this when they bought the unix business from the Santa Cruz Operation - They were asked if they planned to opensource unix at the conference call and said they'd like to but didn't have the necessary copyrights to do so.

  3. What actually happened by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is old. It's from September.

    What actually came out about the asset purchase agreement was straightforward. The written agreement says Novell didn't transfer the UNIX copyright to SCO. Earlier discussions between Novell and SCO had discussed transferring the copyright, and SCO wanted to do that. But Novell wanted all the money up front before irrevocably transferring the copyright. (In case SCO went bankrupt or didn't pay, of course.) SCO didn't have enough cash to pay in full. So the actual agreement as signed called for payments to be made over time, and no copyright transfer, just a license. Some people on both sides thought the copyright had been transferred, because that's what had been discussed in early meetings, but that's not what was actually in the signed documents.

    Once all this came out in court, the Judge ruled for Novell.

  4. Legally, He's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm posting this anonymously since I work in the legal field.

    The article is right. This wasn't a trial. It was a motion for summary judgment, which has a very strict standard. In order to get to summary judgment, the side trying to get the case thrown out has to say that even if everything the other side alleges is true, they don't meet the elements of their claim. The language is that there is no "general issue of material fact" in their case. (It's Rule 56(c) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for those of you playing at home.) Basically, there has to be absolutely no chance that a reasonable jury could ever apply the law correctly and still find for the other side. (That's Anderson v. Liberty Lobby, 477 U.S. 242 (1986), a case which is cited in damn near every summary judgment brief I've ever seen.)

    The problem is that the judge can't say "I think that this witness isn't credible" in order to find for summary judgment -- that's a function of the jury which is the factfinder. All a judge can do on summary judgement is say that the case law doesn't give the other side a claim even if everything they say is true.

    The SCO decision has a lot of parts of it where Judge Kimball makes credibility judgments. That's not his place at that phase in the case, and he shouldn't be deciding those issues -- the jury should. That's the problem.

    Ultimately, it doesn't matter. SCO was wrong on the law anyway, and even if those goes up for appeal, it's probably not going to get overturned. (Even though an appellate court has to review summary judgment orders de novo -- they don't need to defer to the decision of the trial court.) As a matter of law, SCO doesn't have a case.

    That still doesn't mean that Judge Kimball should have been inquiring into the credibility of witnesses. It may not matter in this case, but it's bad procedure, and in another case it could easily have been grounds for reversal on appeal.

  5. Re:No. by trolltalk.com · · Score: 5, Informative

    The right to a jury trial is not universal. A jury is only needed if there are questions of fact to be decided - juries decide facts, judges decide the application of laws.

    In this case, the law was quite clear - without a written transfer of copyright, there were no facts in question for a jury to decide, just the application of the law, which is for a judge.

    SCO's theory of an "implied transfer of copyright", without citing a single legal statute, or a judgement or precedent that was not later reversed on appeal, left no legal basis for a jury trial.

  6. Re:Some of the things that get glazed over... by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a few things that you are missing:

    1. Yes, Novell always wanted to sell the whole business including copyrights. Unfortunately, SCO's predecessor didn't have the money to afford paying for the copyrights, so the copyrights were excluded. So the question that the CEO was asked isn't the one that counts: He was asked "what was your intention to sell". He was not asked "and what _did_ you actually sell". 2. Novell and SCO signed a contract. And that contract is absolutely one hundred percent clear: Copyrights were not included. That's what the words of the contract say. Now the wording of the contract is undisputed. SCO can argue as much as they want what the contract _means_, but there is no disagreement about the text. As the text of the contract is undisputed, the judge can and must decide what the contract means as a matter of law. No jury required, no jury actually allowed because there are no disputed facts. With the written contract available, there is no need for any witnesses. Actually, the judge is required by law to _ignore_ all witnesses that contradict the clear text of the contract. TFA claims that "nobody remembers anymore what the contract means". That is nonsense. The text of the contract is available, so you just give it to the judge to read and the judge will tell exactly what it means. That's why you write down contracts, so that you don't rely on people's memories.

    3. Even if a contract claims to sell the copyrights, copyrights need to be transferred by a separate transfer document. That is a legal requirement. As SCO cannot show such a transfer document, Novell still holds the copyrights. Now SCO could have tried to sue Novell to have the copyrights transferred, but they haven't. The copyrights are Novell's until Novell signs a transfer document, no matter what the contract says.

  7. Re:Rubbish. by jwilcox2009 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Whether a contract is completely integrated or not is much more complicated than you are making them out to be. For example, the presence of a strong integration clause is only a factor in determining whether the contract is completely integrated. Other factors include the completeness of the agreement (does it have all the terms you would reasonably expect to be in an agreement of this sort) and specificity (is the contract specific enough), which are used to conclude whether it is reasonable to think the parties meant the agreement to be completely integrated.

    The fact that it is an integrated agreement does not mean that extrinsic evidence cannot be used to interpret the language anyway. The purpose of completely integrated agreements is to keep parties from arguing later on that the contract included additional terms that were not included in the writing. For example, if the agreement is completely integrated SCO cannot argue "Well, Novell agreed to pay our rent for the next decade even though the written document doesn't say that." If the terms of an agreement are ambiguous, then extrinsic evidence is still permissible in interpreting the meaning of those ambiguous clauses. Don't believe me? Look at Restatement (Second) of Contracts 212: Interpretation of Integrated Agreement:

    A question of interpretation of an integrated agreement is to be determined by the trier of fact if it depends on the credibility of extrinsic evidence or on a choice among reasonable inference to be drawn from extrinsic evidence. Otherwise a question of interpretation of an integrated agreement is to be determined as a question of law.
    Thus if the language is ambiguous and depends on the credibility of extrinsic evidence (As TFA argues), it is a question for a trier of fact whether the agreement is integrated or not. His problem with the ruling is that he believes the judge relied on the credibility of various extrinsic evidence to interpret the agreement, but then treated his interpretation as a matter of law not of fact.
  8. Re:Since when?...You have got it wrong by deck · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are excerpting the excerpts. The details of the transfer of assets were in an attachment to the APA. Copyrights in general were specifically excluded from the sale. Caldera/tSCOg requested the transfer of the copyrights in 2003. Therefore by their own actions Caldera/tSCOg admitted that they did not have the copyrights.

  9. Re:No. by trolltalk.com · · Score: 3, Informative

    The law is clear-cut. Juries are only there to determine the facts of a case. If there are no facts in dispute, there is no option for a jury trial.

    In this case, SCO could not show a dispute around the facts. It could not show that there was a law or statute, or even a precedent, that allowed for "implied" transfers of copyright, which would have then led to the "question of fact to be decided by the jury" of whether, in fact, there had been an implied transfer of copyright.

    Juries don't decide on points of law. Just the facts of a case. (and yes, I've served on a jury).

  10. Re:Yodeling by rewt66 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I posted this on another sub-thread, but I'll repeat myself here.

    The judge gets to rule on what is admissable evidence. In fact, he has to, because part of the definition of "admissible evidence" is "evidence that the jury is allowed to see". So the jury can't be the one to determine what is admissible - they'd have to see the evidence to determine that. So it has to be the judge, nobody else can do it.

    In the SCO case, the judge threw out a bunch of SCO's BS precisely because it was BS. Second-hand information, for instance, is hearsay, not admissible evidence. Kimball, rightly, threw out the stuff that wasn't actual evidence. Then he ruled against SCO, assuming the most positive (for SCO) interpretation of the admissible evidence.

  11. Re:Since when?... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 5, Informative

    Three points:

    1. Copyright law REQUIRES that all transfers be in writing. The parties can't agree to do a work-around.
    2. The APA specifically excluded copyrights, since Santa Cruz didn't have enough $$$ to buy everything.
    3. SCO obviously didn't believe that the copyrights had transferred, because before they filed their suit against IBM, they repeatedly asked Novell to transfer them.
    The whole thing was a stock scam.
  12. Re:Since when?... by ArtDent · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have only looked at the excerpts of the contract included in TFA, but I don't see where people are getting the obvious conclusion that the copyright was not transferred in writing.

    And that's the problem. The article utterly mischaracterizes the language in the APA.

    If you interpret the language from the contract that says Novell is transferring "all rights and ownership of UNIX ... including source code . . ., such assets to include without limitation" as including the copyright...

    But you can't interpret the language that way because that very sentence is followed by...

    Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Assets to be so purchased shall not include those assets (the "Excluded Assets") set forth on Schedule 1.1 (b).

    And Schedule 1.1 (b) specifically lists the following...

    V. Intellectual Property:
    A. All copyrights and trademarks, except for the trademarks UNIX and UnixWare.
    B. All Patents

    There's no ambiguity. The contract basically says, "I give you everything in set A, excluding those things that are in set B." You're arguing that set A is really big, but that doesn't matter at all. The thing that they want is specifically enumerated in set B, so it's excluded.

    Then there's some frantic spinning to try to suggest that because pretty much everything in items I through IV of the Excluded Assets specifically refers to NetWare, obviously "All copyrights" must mean only NetWare copyrights, too. Of course, that's nonsense: the fact that "NetWare" is repeated in every item that refers specifically to NetWare suggests that this item most certainly does not refer to NetWare. Moreover, "the trademarks UNIX and UnixWare" clearly do not refer to NetWare, so why would "All copyrights"? And a final kicker, SCO does not claim (and has never claimed) to have received any patents from the APA, while patents are excluded in precisely the same manner as copyrights.

    The arguments presented in the article are bogus: they were already offered to the court, and were resoundingly rejected.

  13. Re:Since when?... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, the author of TFA is a known SCOtroll, like the mogtroll, lyin' lyons, and pretenderle, and chose not to include in his citation the list of rights specificially excluded; that list excludes the copyright transfers.

    Originally, Santa Cruz (not Caldera (later to change their name to SCO), who only bought a part of Santa Cruz - the rest became Tarantella) was supposed to buy everything, but they didn't have the money. So, they paid a lesser amount to became Novell's agent in the handling of the Unix licenses, passing on 100% of the revenue, and Novell then remitting them a 5% fee.

    This is why Ransom Love (head of Caldera, before the name change) stated that Caldera couldn't open source Unix - others held the copyrights.

    SCO, as supposedly Caldera's "successor in interest", (but not Santa Cruz's successor in interest, as they did NOT buy out all of Santa Cruz, contrary to the FUD they have been spreading - just some of the assets) should have known this; the lawsuits were predictably as DOA as the rebadged Maxtor drives from the China factory currently being sold by Seagate.