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Jimmy Wales Says Students 'Should Use' Wikipedia

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC has up an article chatting with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. Wales views the Wikipedia site as an educational resource, and apparently thinks teachers who downplay the site are 'bad educators'. '[A] perceived lack of authority ... has drawn criticism from other information sources. Ian Allgar of Encyclopedia Britannica maintains that, with 239 years of history and rigorous fact-checking procedures, Britannica should remain a leader in authoritative, politically-neutral information. Mr Allgar pointed out the trustworthy nature of paid-for, thoroughly-reviewed content, and noted that Wikipedia is still prone to vandalism.'"

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  1. Re:Sure they should, sorta by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's possible to cite Wikipedia, but one thing as a student is that you must learn how to be critical of your sources. If Wikipedia is one source among others it's one thing but as any sole source of information it may be utterly wrong. No dictionary is free of errors.

    It also depends on your point of view if you think that some information is correct or not.

    And don't forget - Wikipedia may actually contain original information from time to time and that's worth to consider. Just because some abuses the tool doesn't mean that the tool is useless. On the contrary - it means that the tool is actually useful enough to draw the interest of abusers. The only catch is to identify the abusers.

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    If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  2. Re:Institutions by Entropius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who tutors undergrads, I concur: a lot of the texts suck. :)

    And, yes, while the Feynman Lectures were intended for undergrads, a whole lot of people use them to study for PhD quals.

    Quantum physics makes a great deal of sense in the only way that physical theories can: it explains our observations, to an uncanny level. *Why* it should be this way we don't really know. Quantum mechanics really isn't terribly counterintuitive; it's just *different* than the rules that govern large collections of matter. Those rules -- macroscopic mechanics, classical electromagnetism, and so on -- are just what happens when you look at the limit of quantum mechanics when a great many particles act together.

  3. Re:They are bad teachers by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Every fact on Wikipedia has a link back to the primary source."

    Have you ever actually read Wikipedia? Is there a different one I'm not aware of? That statement is wrong in two major ways:

    1) Many things do NOT have links. You can find whole articles full of nothing but [citation needed] or ones without even that. Many things have links to sources, however many don't. As such while it can potentially be useful for background research, it isn't like a scholarly paper where you are guaranteed a list of works cited. Maybe you get that, maybe you don't.

    2) Equally important many of the sources are not primary and often no good. I can link to a page saying anything I wanted. If I wanted I could just make some shit up, post it on my own website, and link to it. Bam, there's a source. However that doesn't mean the source is any good or that the information is true. A reference to a source is only good if the source is accurate, and really to be useful it needs to be to a primary source (meaning for statistics from research you don't link to an article discussing someone's research, you link to the research itself).

    Wikipedia really isn't a good starting point for a scholarly paper unless you know nothing about the topic and are looking for general background. A search through a good library collection is going to get you far more useful starting points, and the works cited from those will continue it. With Wikipedia it's a crap shoot. Maybe you get a good article, edited by experts, with proper citations that will lead you to material you can use. Maybe you get a page written by an idiot, that links to misinformation.

  4. Re:rubish... by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sorry.. what? Wikipedia isn't peer reviewed?
    Peer review is pointless where cabals control information. Expert peers may disagree with the accuracy of info, but so what, if a cabal is making sure it stays inaccurate to further its own ends. This happens on Wikipedia. Which is why it must never be trusted.