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The 5 Users You'd Meet in Hell

cweditor writes "The Know-It-All. The Finger-Pointer. The Whiz Kid. "Just as a zookeeper cares for his monkeys one way and his rhinos another (we kid — sort of), so too should IT tailor its responses to fit the individual styles of its end users," according to this Computerworld "rogue's gallery of users (and one angel)". Includes advice on how to best deal with the most common types of users, without having to run screaming into the night. Expect sometime soon to also see reader feedback offering other ideas (and, oh, perhaps some disagreement with the article's)."

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  1. The know-nothing. by RandoX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once had to help a user because she had accidentally rearranged the icons on her desktop and didn't know how to do her job. She had meticulously documented her job as follows:

    Step 1: Click the third icon from the top in the second column [...]

    Etc....

    1. Re:The know-nothing. by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've seen someone very confused when the mouse reached the right edge of the desk but not the right edge of the screen...

    2. Re:The know-nothing. by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > I once had to help a user because she had accidentally rearranged the icons on her desktop and didn't know how to do her job. She had meticulously documented her job as follows:
      >
      > Step 1: Click the third icon from the top in the second column [...]

      That wasn't just any know-nothing. That was the team lead for your company's ISO 9000 programme!

    3. Re:The know-nothing. by afc_wimbledon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess we all have true stories like these....my favourite is as follows. An update to users' PCs was sent round in an email which basically said "click on the icon in this email to start the process, then do the following...you may want to print off this email to refer to the instructions as you go along." One user, at a remote office (naturally!) just couldn't get this to work. Several different people tried to talk her through it over the phone, but eventually someone had to drive over to see what was going on. It's obvious really; she'd printed out the email and was carefully putting the mouse on the print out, on top of the image of the icon, and clicking....

    4. Re:The know-nothing. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First time I encountered a mouse, it was attached to a Mac. This would be back in '85-6 (so I would be 3-4 at the time) and when I was told to 'click on the little picture with the mouse,' I picked up the mouse, moved it to the point on the screen where little picture was, and pressed the button. Whenever I hear these tech support stories, I think back to this, and remember that the only reason these jokes aren't about me is that I've been using computers a lot longer than the people in the stories.

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      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    5. Re:The know-nothing. by beckerist · · Score: 4, Funny
      True story, I used to own a business where I would field off-hours calls from home users (generally not businesses.) I also made house visits off hours too. I was a teen with a car and could undercut everyone in town. This was one of my FIRST calls:

      Me: Thanks for calling, how can I help?
      Her: My computer won't turn on!
      Me: Alright, can you do me a favor and check to see that the cable is plugged into the computer?
      [20 seconds later]
      Me: Good, we've established that! Now, can you follow the cord to ensure it's plugged into an outlet?
      [20 seconds later]
      Her: Yeah, it's plugged right into the desk!
      Me: The desk? Do you have a power strip?
      Her: Yeah, I can wheel this desk around, it's so convenient I can take it all around the house!
      [at this point I'm pondering...]
      Me: What's the power strip on the desk plugged into?
      [20 seconds later]
      Her: You mean the desk? It came with it's own outlet!

      Yes folks, this lady had successfully plugged her power strip into itself! I tried a snarky comment on how if you removed the shielding on the wire and ran a magnet REALLY fast...didn't seem to catch on. I don't think she was the technical type!
  2. Hmm.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you tried switching it off and on again?

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    which is totally what she said
  3. Irony by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is strong irony in the IT worker complaining about the know-it-all.

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    t
    1. Re:Irony by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed, I've seen help desk personelle fall into those categories listed in that document.

      I'll admit, I fall into the wiz kid category, with a few smatterings of know-it-all (except I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if I screw up, and even temporarily take the blame while we wait to figure out what is really wrong, and I don't install things against company policy). A while ago I had an odd problem on my computer when dealing with a server (the IT area changed settings on the server a while ago related to the server-client connection, and something was cached on the clients computers and not updated). Anyway, the IT guy was the finger pointer. He kept trying to blame me for the problem - jumping from one thing to another, and I just stood there thinking "I don't care if I caused it or not, I want to know what was wrong, and how to fix it. If it was me, I'm more than willing to accept the blame, but without knowing what's wrong, we can't assign blame."

      Turns out it wasn't me and everything he tried to blame me for wasn't the problem. Especially since several users have since had the same problem (The client caching things it shouldn't).

      *sigh* I've been an IT help desk (like the person assiting me was), and I've been on the client end. As much annoyed as I got with some clients, I don't think the worst clients I've delt with are nearly as bad as the worst help desk individuals. Maybe it's just that I have a better personality for helping than being helped (a lot of clients asked for me by name), but I think part of the problem is that some IT desk people can get quite arrogant and put their users into two categories: Those that don't know nearly as much as they should know (the know nothings), and the people who know what they should while still knowing nothing and not having the possibility of knowing more than 'me' (everyone else).

      Sorry about the rant, there are issues with both sides, client and help desk. Many seem to think their own side is perfect, but really neither is.

      --
      Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
    2. Re:Irony by haystor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just don't like being treated as the enemy...and a dumb enemy at that. I fully realize I don't know everything about the desktop or why windows networking can take 30+ seconds to log on (what is it doing?!). But when I drag one of them over to show them how my build which is creating 5000 files takes 100x longer when the virus scanner is operating "on access" I expect an answer better than "corporate policy".

      The unix administrators I've run across certainly have their tyrants but they eventually relent in order to let me get some work done. The windows side of IT seems perfectly willing to let work stop in order to conform to policy.

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      t
    3. Re:Irony by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The olde saying goes: People who think they know everything are particularly annoying to those of us who do.

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      try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  4. I know one more... by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Funny

    The brother in law!!! It's the worse one, because he is all 5 worst users in the same person!

  5. Or any combination by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I nearly got fired by a Ms. Entitlement Finger-Pointer. Personal secretary for the president of an unnamed fortune 500 company has the president's Active Directory password, and ended up locking the account. This is where I got the "do you know who I am, I am the SECRETARY of mr. So and So. I was just a phone support operator. After a little bit of screaming and accusation, I figure out what the problem is and unlock the account. A week later, she locks the account again, conveniently right before the weekend. Next, I get an angry phone call from the president himself, demanding to know why his account is locked, because HE IS THE PRESIDENT, and is trying to get ready for an important meeting. I end up in a conference call with the secretary, who proceeds to tell the president that I've "done this to her before." Now we've established the finger-pointing. She'd successfully established my guilt as the baseline of the "discussion", and it was downhill after that. After that point, the writing was on the wall, and I got out of there after a few months. Basically, I ended up on the "list" and was not going to get off.

    These people can ruin your job. I'm just glad that I was a lowly operator, it would really suck if I'd have had a good job there and this happened.

  6. Typical Asshat IT POV by coinreturn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is, unsurprisingly, written from the typical asshat IT support person point of view. The article doesn't list the user who actually does know a lot more than the clueless freshly-minted IT support guy. As opposed to the "Mr. Know-It-All" who thinks he's an engineer, there are those of us who actually are engineers who are hobbled by Mr. Know-Nothing IT guys who operate blindly. I always laugh at the IT guy who does superstitious things like closing the Explorer window and re-opening a new one so he can navigate somewhere! Or tries the exact same operation four times, thinking it will work the fourth time! Every time some idiotic security application is "pushed" onto all desktops and fucks up my ability to update development software, some IT moron asks "well what did you change?" I remember a dimwit who claimed I needed a new computer because he couldn't figure out how get an encryption certificate working in Outlook. I kid you not, I got a new computer out of it.

  7. Re:I wonder what category I belong to... by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The Know-It-All" It is simply mind-boggling how often a simple reboot fix seemingly unrelated problems. Besides, if you're issue is really so important that I need to come down there personally and look into it, you're probably not getting much work done anyways, so what's the harm in starting a reboot while I start walking to your desk? Worst case scenario, it doesn't help, but you haven't missed out on any productivity.

    If I ask a user to reboot their computer (which, by the way, means I think it might help) and they say it's unrelated, their just prolonging the time it takes to get the problem solved, because I'm just gonna reboot it myself when I get to their desk. Why not save us both a little time and just do it now? Who knows, it might even work, and that'll save us both a lot of time.

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    Unpleasantries.
  8. Re:There are more.... by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    all of the millions of people that don't RTFM or help screens before lifting the phone and calling tech support; yes, the manuals and help screens suck, so did your chemistry book.

    But isn't it your job to be on the other end of the phone to answer a question in ten minutes that would take me an hour to figure out by reading the poorly-written book? If not then why am I paying for support?

    --
    Toronto-area transit rider? Rate your ride.
  9. The user that gives me more trouble than any other by drb_chimaera · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the dreaded 'family member'

    In some cases, like my dad, it's not so bad, he pays attention to the explanation of whats wrong and is usually pretty good about dealing with problems he's seen before so I rarely have to fix the same problem twice, plus he's as good at fixing cars as I am with computers and I'm *rubbish* with cars so that results in a pretty fair exchange of skills.

    Other members of my family are *much* more irritating and would think nothing of calling me up at 3am because they have a paper due in at 9am that they left to the last minute and couldn't figure out why their printer wouldn't work (for reference: because the dizzy bint had unplugged it to charge up her MP3 player).

    The really shocking thing is that several of my techie friends seem to have it even worse than me with their family!

    In a corporate environment the worst I face on a day to day basis are those I classify as 'know just enough to be dangerous' - its a combination of a modicum of ability with computers combined with just the right level of arrogance that they know more than I do that leads to all sorts of problems.

    Day to day though it's pretty easy - the place I work is only 300 or so people, which is small enough to build reasonably personal relationships with the various staff, so I generally know the best approach to deal with whomever is having a problem - up to and including who can I get away with calling a dumbfuck to their face, and which ones I should save to have a laugh about back at the pen ;)

  10. Re:I wonder what category I belong to... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the rare instance when I actually need to call support, I'll perform the steps they ask even if I've already tried them and know that they don't fix the problem. After all, they're patiently trying to help you, so the least you can do is try not to stress them out by being a pain in the ass.

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    This guy's the limit!
  11. The Whiz Kid by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 4, Funny

    In his cubicle, he has a stuffed [...] Linux penguin mascot. And he's highly likely to be a gamer

    10 points for whoever can spot the huge flaw in this quote! ;)

  12. Not just the users by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Know-It-Alls often insist on doing things their own way. They change options and settings on their computers just because they can, and they have a tendency to connect devices and download software to their computers that IT does not support.

    Even worse are sysadmins who think that every other tech in the company are Know-It-Alls that must be contained at all costs. At a previous job, I was tasked with installing a rather expensive server application. It was one of those nightmare jobs with a huge spaghetti-coded shell script installer. You know the kind: works great once it's running, but you better have things exactly right before running ./install.sh.

    Anyway, one of its requirements was an empty Oracle database and an account with permissions to create the tables it would be using. Now, I'm sure our DBA was a pretty clever guy, and I understand that he had an important job, but he was a complete ass about giving me that empty database. After all, only a Trained DBA is qualified to know how your schema should be designed; never mind that we were buying the app and didn't have a lot of say over how it was set up. Since he and I reported to different bosses, it finally took a request travelling up to the VP level and back down (plus some not so veiled threats of a beating) to finally get the ability to install the application we'd paid about $50K for. Oh, and the installer ran perfectly the first time. You could actually hear his teeth grind as it completed without so much as a warning.

    I'm sure in his mind I was a pesky Know-It-All who wanted nothing more than to make his life difficult. He probably complained to his friends about the thorn in his side at the office who wanted - can you believe it! - free reign over a corner of his beloved Oracle.

    The moral is that sometimes the people "beneath" you really do know what they're doing if you can bring yourself to give them a chance.

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  13. From a top-down consultant's point of view by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Our company would be viewed as evil by some in the IT or the consulting industry. We sell ourselves as "the CEO's consultant." We openly admit that we're working to better the interests of the person in charge of the company, or the ownership, and not necessarily end users. We believe that by making a company more efficient, the employees will profit as the company does. Our 10 year anniversary is this week, and our world has changed greatly in terms of how we're viewed by the "common" employee.

    First of all, if we have bad users, we're the first to highlight them in our quarterly and yearly billing breakdowns. The users who are surly, obnoxious, and complain the most are usually the ones who get the biggest chunk of the maintenance budget. Their name is usually at the top, and each user is also compared to the company average. Many CEOs and owners love our breakdowns, and look forward to them each quarter.

    Secondly, the hard workers in an organization also appreciate our reports, which we request to be open if the company's policy allows it (about half do). They know who the jerks and deadbeats (Finger-pointer and Mr. Entitlement) are, and they're happy to be "below average" in terms of company burden. It is also those users/employees who like us the most because we give them extra-special attention when they really do have emergencies. The guy who cries wolf all the time is still served well, but most quickly learn that they'll be singled out at their next review -- "Why do you need so much support?"

    The finger-pointer loses power under this system. When it is obvious that the finger should point to them (and that's what the report clearly shows) they have little in the way of demanding a change in consultant or operations. Most finger-pointers we've dealt with have been the first to leave or be fired, based on the clarity that we show to the owners to see who is bringing down efficiency. Since we've taken over some telephone system operations, we also generate a report that shows the delay in responding to voice mails (a skewed report in some ways, because we don't use a weight-system for people who get way more voice mails than average), and it's usually the finger pointer and Mr. Entitlement who ignore the voice mails significantly more than average.

    The Whiz-Kid is usually a good person to have for us, as we are open to changes in our system. If the Whiz-Kid gives us a recommendation, we'll include it in our summary of recommendations, and give them the credit. If that recommendation is accepted, and it works, more power to the Whiz-Kid, maybe he should go off on his own and consult. If the recommendation fails, it's also his responsibility. But here's the good part: the Whiz-Kid doesn't have the time to take over our work, so it's not competition for us. Owners should know if they have a talented worker, but they should also be aware that the talented worker should do what his job description says he should do, or he should be moved to a different department. About 20% of our customers have attempted to hire in-house staff, but their costs go up, not down, and the service seems to get worse. Currently, we work with no business with an in-house IT guy (even one customer who generates over $100m a year in income).

    The Know-It-All is not a problem for us, because every invoice we produce references industry recommendations or knowledge base articles as to why we do it. If the Know-It-All calls us out in a meeting (or otherwise), all we have to do is say "Maybe we missed something, can you point us to two industry experts who recommend that action?" So far, maybe 5% of Know-It-All complaints have led us to making changes, but 95% of them fail miserably. And no, slashdot is not a great place to grab links to recommendations, because it also usually has replies from other "experts" who recommend against the same idea.

    The Know-Nothing is our worst user, and maybe the only bad one. Because some WANT to know more, but don't have the aptitude, it seems part

  14. Surprisingly common by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's surprising how many people are like this. I encounter people this clueless on a weekly basis.

    Me: "Right-click on your program shortcut and go to Properties..."

    User: "What?"

    Me: "The shortcut to the program."

    User: "What?"

    Me: "However you normally open the program."

    User: "Ok, the program's open."

    Me: "No, just right-click on that icon."

    User: "So close the program?"

    Me: "Yes"

    User: "It says, 'are you sure you want to exit.' Click ok?"

    Me: "Yes."

    User: "It says, 'An error was encountered.' Click Send?"

    Me: "No, click Do Not Send."

    User: "OK, so go into the program?"

    Me: "No, right-click on the shortcut."

    User: "What?"

    1. Re:Surprisingly common by Sczi · · Score: 4, Funny

      My favorite (aka, most hated) is along those lines, but not quite:

      Me: click the thing
      User: Ok
      Me: click the next thing
      User: Ok
      Me: click the next thing
      User: Ok
      Me: right-click the next thing
      User: what?
      Me: click the right button on it
      User: Ok
      Me: click the next thing
      User: Is that left click or right click?
      Me: left click
      User: Ok
      Me: click the next thing
      User: Is that left click or right click?
      Me: AAAUAHGGHGHAHG!!1

      And my favorite question:
      User: Is the Internet down?
      Me: Is there panic in the streets today?

    2. Re:Surprisingly common by phantomflanflinger · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're lucky. This is what I get:

      Me: Right-click on your mouse

      Client: Hang on, I'm getting a pen. (PAUSE) OK.

      Me: Can you see the context menu? Click Properties on it.

      Client: Menu? What menu?

      Me: Did you right-click on your mouse?

      Client: Yes.

      Me: OK do it again then.

      (SILENCE)

      Me: Can you see the context menu?

      Client: No - nothing happens. I've written click on my mouse twice, nothing's happened and now I've got ink on fingers!

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      shin phantomflanflinger
    3. Re:Surprisingly common by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some other favorites of mine:

      A tech support rep for another company emailed saying our upgrader didn't work for him. I asked him what the filename of the upgrader was. He replied with the file version and all the other information about the file, but said he couldn't find the filename...

      ----

      Me: Here is your registration code: Alpha One Five...

      User: Alpha? Where's the alpha key? I don't see that...

      ----

      A user wanted to use a camera with our software, but said it wasn't showing up as an option. I asked her if the camera was plugged in; she said no, but said "that shouldn't matter"...

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      Me: Open up Windows Explorer by right clicking Start and going to Explore. Do you see our program folder under C:\Program Files\?

      User: I don't understand what you're talking about! ALL I SEE IS GOOGLE!

      Me: Not Internet Explorer. Windows Explorer. Right click on Start and go to Explore.

      ----

      A tech support rep from another company was convinced that our "Watch Guard HTTP Proxy" was blocking him from downloading files from our site. I tried to explain to him that it was HIS proxy, not ours, but he didn't believe me and said he wanted to talk to another tech support here.

    4. Re:Surprisingly common by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of the sudden, Jobs seems like a fucking genius keeping Apple's tech support bill so low, eh? :)

      You joke, but pretty much anyone who has ever done usability testing on modern computer systems has run into difficulty with right and left mouse buttons. It is the single, number one, most common usability problem. The worst are users (about 5%) who always click both buttons at the same time, usually resulting in a left click, but occasionally (and apparently randomly to them) their other finger wins the race and they right click. The problem is not even solely that of novice users. When you use software to record the screen as people work, you see the problem for advanced users, most of whom do not even notice. I saw this once for one of the top security architects for one of the biggest tier 1 ISPs in the US, and he was a really bright guy.

      Apple has largely solved this problem with two major things. First, all systems ship in single button configuration, so developers almost never require right-clicking for any action. (aside from one pro graphics company and a few bad ports of Windows/Linux apps). This means everything accessed by right-clicking is a secondary way to get to that function and can be used for quick shortcuts. The second thing they did was the invention of the mighty mouse. It isn't perfect and I don't use one myself, but they change a mouse from single button to multi-button in software, so different users of the same hardware can have either a simple mouse or an advanced mouse. This is the best thing ever for public machines, family computers, and other shared systems.

      I suppose having actual experience with formal, scientific testing in this area is why all the idiotic comments about 1 button mice and ridicule of people who have problems is so annoying to me.

    5. Re:Surprisingly common by Rimbo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesnt really matter what your usability studies say, a one button mose is really annoying. Whats even more annoying is people who have started to dual boot macbooks which only have one mouse button on their trackpad (!!). In addition to this, you cant tap the pad, like every single other computer, and have it count as a click. You have to use this huge ass stupid button that constantly reminds you that there should be two.


      Who modded this comment up?

      1.) You can tap the pad. It's just disabled by default. Which is a good thing, because every time I try to drag one of my heavy fingers across the pad, it registers as a click on any PC out there.

      2.) Doing a double-click (on Macbooks/Pros that can run Windows) is as easy as putting two fingers on the trackpad and clicking.

      You can also do all sorts of nice tricks like using two fingers to scroll (horiz. and vert.) and things like that. And, of course, you can always plug in a Bluetooth or USB mouse -- the blindingly obvious solution that every Mac critic seems to know about.

      All that said, the Mighty Mouse is dogshit. You have to hit it -just so- to do a right-click, and while that's ok when you're not e.g. gaming, it's really awful when you're trying to zoom in with the sniper rifle and instead fire off a shot that gives away your position. And the little scroll-ball is in exactly the perfectly WRONG place for it to be.

  15. Re:listen to the whiz kids by qortra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, I must agree. IT guys are not at the top of the tech food chain; there are plenty of people in other fields who are just as capable if not more at that kind of work. In situations where you're the IT guy butting heads with the whiz kid, one of two things is happening:

    1) The whiz kid is advocating a violation of protocol. Often, this is the whiz kid not understanding how things work for the average technology user. In this case, you probably should consider but ultimately reject the opinion of the whiz. In other cases, the opinion should be weighed carefully, keeping in mind that protocol should be adapted once in a while.

    2) The whiz kid is telling you how the technology actually works (not how it looks from the perspective of the Windows Management Console). In this case, if you disagree (and/or accuse them of going to hell, as in this article), you have now become the know-it-all, and he is the expert. Show some humility, and try to learn. If he is eventually found to be wrong, your humility will only act as a slap in his face. If he is right, you have potentially avoided losing face.

  16. IT problem by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's an IT problem, not a user problem. It should NOT give passwords to active directory, even to the company president. In a fortune 500, that's for the head of IT's off-site safe. No, not the safe with the mission-critical backups; the SMALL, discrete, more secure safe. The head of IT should also have been shielding you from that kind of BS, via laying down his own law at board level.

  17. Re:I wonder what category I belong to... by avronius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the growing complexity of computer systems and the growing number of issues inherent in the system (regardless of the Operating System in question), I've found that most "system administrators" just don't care to research problems thoroughly any longer. The oft stated "reboot" only serves to postpone the inevitable visit to resolve the problem in the future.

    Back when I was a "Windows Guy(tm)", I visited the desk for almost every system crash that was encountered by the user community. I admit that I, too, chose the occasional reboot rebuff when I was swamped with server issues. But I made a concerted effort to visit the user, and I was usually able to isolate the problems - generally related to faulty hardware or driver configuration.

    Rebooting the computer will, in fact, resolve many things. For a while. Ultimately, most problems will recur. If it is software related, it will continue until the software problem is addressed. This could be the OS, and application, a utility, a driver, etc. If the problem is hardware related, it will also continue until the problem is addressed. And, it may end up costing you more money to replace any components that the faulty unit may be attached to.

  18. Some user stories by skintigh2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was also an admin once. I had a psycho user who would scream and yell and sputter and lose it over minor issues. He completely freaked out because his docs were "gone." I did a search, and there they were in "My Documents." I looked around some more, and he had the usual "My Documents" folder in the usual place, and another folder on the desktop also called "My Documents" and also on the desktop he had a shortcut to a "D:\My Documents." How he had done this I wasn't sure, but it was all my fault.

    Then we had the guy who complained of a slow computer. He had about 30 icons on his taskbar, about 8 of them screen saver programs and who knows what else. I suggested deleting all of them and he balked. I suggested deleting one or more and he balked. Then I started to leave and he asked me if I was going to do anything or not.

    But my FAVORITE story: my ex's dad called completely irate. He wanted us to drive 200 miles to his house on a work night and fix his computer. His daughter was crying, his wife locked herself in the bedroom, and he was in a rage because they did something and now he couldn't print AND his landline didn't work. (Needless to say, I had fixed this computer numerous times only to find 400 pieces of spyware and 15 screensavers and 86 viruses on my next visit) Well, my ex explained that we didn't want to do 8 hours of driving that night so he should call the phone company to fix his landline and we'd see about his computer on the weekend.

    2 days later, a guy from AT&T shows up, unplugs the printer's USB cable from the phone jack and leaves.

  19. Re:There are more.... by zymurgyboy · · Score: 4, Funny
    I reedening form the same bok you are. ifI havening this much truble fixing you CP, some self help is probably not bad idea.

    Is it just yor external email or email or external emais from you hole area?

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    If you never make mistakes, it's probably because you're not doing anything.
  20. Re:There are more.... by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You apparently didn't grasp my question. Puzzling through a poorly written manual takes time away from revenue-generating activities. Tech support owes its employment in part to the fact that it is much faster to ask an expert, even to ask question that the expert may find stupid, than it is to consult a poorly written document. If time had no value, there would be no need for tech support. So again I ask, isn't this your job?

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    Toronto-area transit rider? Rate your ride.
  21. Military Alphabet by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Me: Here is your registration code: Alpha One Five...

    User: Alpha? Where's the alpha key? I don't see that...


    I learned the hard way that using military alphabet abbreviations over the phone just confuses most folks who aren't current/ex military or pilots. You end up having to say "A as in Alpha" instead otherwise they can't cope. It's even worse if they are a foreign national whose English language skills aren't so strong.

    Of course most folks here can't deal with metric either so I shouldn't be surprised. (yes I'm an American slamming other Americans on this topic) There are a lot of things people could do to make their lives easier that they don't bother to learn. Sad but true.
    1. Re:Military Alphabet by Gospodin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Me: "Nine seven Charlie foxtrot hotel romeo two..."

      Of course they were confused. That should be "niner".

      --
      ...following the principles of Heisenburger's Uncertain Cat...
  22. Re:I wonder what category I belong to... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the problem is with different definitions of "fixed" which Windows and Unix/Linux/Mainframe/etc admins have. In the Windows world "fixed" frequently means clearing up an inherent, recurring, deep-seated internal design problems of either Windows or some business app which are fundamentally unsolvable given the lack of access to the source code and even sufficient diagnostics tools to track the cause down. So rebooting "fixes" the problem in the sense that people get back to work and the thing limps along for some unpredictable amount of time again, until one of the many fundamentally unsolveable issues crops up again. Then reboot. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    In the other environments "fixing" means employing a set of different diagnostic procedures, from analysing logs (which are actually useful, unlike the Windows ones), turning debugging info on, running strace etc, all the way to parsing source code, all of which procedures are very quickly focused on a specific running process or kernel module, which in turn can, in a vast majority of cases, be stopped/started/loaded/unloaded at runtime. Following which "fixing" means alteration to either the system configuration or applying appropriate patches. In some cases even writing your own.

    This is because of this fundamental difference you have such a chorus of disagreement between those who come from Microsoft-only shops and those who have a much broader experience.

  23. voodoo users by TheMCP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of my professors in college (Hi Prof Pierroule, if you read this!) called that sort "voodoo users": they have no idea whatsoever what they're doing, no amount of training actually gets them to understand the computer, and they have merely memorized (or written down) a series of exact steps and they know that if they perform the magical steps, the magical process occurs and they get the desired output... but if anything goes even the slightest bit wrong with any of those steps, they fail completely.

    My experience with many such people leads me to believe that voodoo users have a mindset that effectively prevents them from learning how computers work: I think in some cases they're so convinced that they can't learn it that they prevent themselves from doing so even if they otherwise could, and in some cases they don't have the sort of brain processes that allow a person to systematize knowledge about how one part of one thing works to understand how other parts or other things work, so memorizing instructions is all they can do.

    I usually make them lavish documentation with lots and lots of color screenshots. (Yes, I've had users that failed because the document was b&w and the screen was color and they couldn't match the two in their heads. This also means the document has to be created with the default system colors, and I have to ensure that their workstation is set to the default system colors.) And over-simplistic language. (You can't say "click 'ok'" and expect them to figure out that there's an on-screen button labeled 'ok' that they're supposed to click with the mouse: you have to say "using the mouse, move the pointer so that it is on the on-screen 'button' labeled 'ok'. [picture of it here] Press the left mouse button and release it.")

    1. Re:voodoo users by justinlindh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think most of these so-called "voodoo users" are the older generation. In the case of the elderly, it's not that they're unable to learn how to use computers... it's just that they're scared to.

      Many of the elderly had occupations or grew up on farms where making a mistake with a piece of machinery would result in them losing a limb. Years of operating under this mindset causes severe paranoia with machinery that they don't understand. Critical thinking involved in figuring out even the simplest of tasks on their own can be frightening for them, but they can follow explicit step-by-step instructions, because they trust them more than themselves.

  24. Re:There are more.... by avronius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ultimately, this will depend on the type of service that your help desk provides.

    There are different types of technical support available, and your company may employ some or all of those available. They include (but by no means are limited to) the following:

    Tier 1: First level telephone support
    In general, this level of support will assist you with "I can't find the right mouse button" type questions. The people who work at this level are generally very comfortable with the desktop operating system that your company uses, and can help you find applications, sometimes even help you find departmental data. Some companies even grant Tier 1 support staff the ability to remotely control your PC and help you to launch applications in this manner.

    Tier 2: Second level support
    In general, this level of support is called upon when the Tier 1 support personnel have exhausted their flow charts of canned information. This would include problems like, the computer won't reboot or we can no longer send e-mail.

    Tier 3: Third level support
    In general, this level of support will never talk to the end user. This group of people are involved in building the infrastructure, maintaining servers and network gear, and resolving obscure technical problems that are beyond the scope of responsibility for the Tier 2 support personnel.

    It is important to note that there are many Tier 1 support staff who work their way towards Tier 3. They attempt to learn as much as they can about an area - by resolving problems for people that are outside their sphere of responsibility. These people "go the extra mile" trying to resolve problems that you, as a user, should be able to look up and answer for yourself.

    If you are using CAD applications, Geophysical applications, or an obscure 4GL to compile your custom application, you will not likely get the support that you are looking for from the standard 3 tier support infrastructure. In many cases, you will have a contract with the vendor to obtain support directly from them.

    If you are using obscure functions of "off the shelf software", then you will likely end up being more knowledgeable about the product than your Tier 1, 2 AND 3 support staff, as they have no reason to use the software as intimately as you would.

    Your help desk can only provide the service that your company is willing to support. I somehow doubt that refusing to learn an uncommon application feature for yourself on the basis of "it's too hard" will not make you look good to your manager.

  25. How I deal with finger pointers by TheMCP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am sometimes an IT manager.

    I find that most of the problem users are also finger pointers. It's rare that I encounter one of the other problem users who isn't also a finger pointer. Usually they'll call my boss, whoever that is, and try to get me fired. This is why I won't even consider an IT job unless I've discussed it thoroughly with my potential new boss and they've made it plain that they will back me up. The finger pointer then usually tries calling my boss's boss. I therefore insist on having enough of a relationship with *that* person that they know me enough to call me and have a friendly discussion about what really happened, rather than flying into a rage as the finger pointer wants them to.

    I've found that attempting to mollify finger pointers is generally a bad idea: they'll get pissed off anyway, either now or later, and go to management and tell whatever kind of outrageous stories they think are necessary to get rid of me (or my staff), even if it means lying outright. (And I don't mean the kind of "they're too ignorant of computers to tell the difference" lies, I mean things like claiming I said a bunch of sexist stuff that I would never say.)

    So, my new method of dealing with finger pointers is "take no prisoners." If something goes wrong and they say "what did you do?" they get a detailed lecture about not jumping to conclusions before analysis. They try to blame something on me and it's their fault, and they get a lecture about exactly what they did wrong and they get told that if they insist on blaming me or my staff for their errors we will withdraw service from them, including their network connection, and they can figure out how to do their job without a computer. (And I mean it - I've done it.) If they claim that they're suffering because me or my staff is slow in responding to them, all work for that user halts while I contact the help desk and get them to retrieve the records to demonstrate our reasonable response times for that user, and then I insist on receiving an apology before I can continue work.

    I then go back to my desk and fire off a very polite email to their boss and mine about their poor behavior and its negative effect on my staff's morale. Since my boss always knows from experience that I am a professional and would never make shit up, when my email and the inevitable one from the finger pointer come in, I am the one who is believed.

    The other consequence of this is that I insist that my staff have no more contact with finger pointers than absolutely necessary. If a finger pointer calls the help desk, the help desk notes what they have to say, tells them they'll get a call back, and then routes the complaint to me, and I handle it personally, calling in other IT people to assist me (not them) as necessary. This means that sometimes they have to wait for me to become available to work on their problem for them. If they complain to me about it, or my staff, they are told that because they've had difficulties in the past they have been placed in a special service category in which they are always taken care of by the top IT people (the managers) to ensure that they receive the best possible quality of service. If they complain to upper management about it, upper management will ask me, and I'll tell them the real reason - that they're not allowed to deal with lower level IT people because they can't be trusted not to tell lies and try to get my people fired, while I have the clout to stand up to them.

    It has happened that management has decided to fire a finger pointer after they told nasty lies about me came to light. (The specific user accused me of making a pass at her and then discriminating against her for being a lesbian. HR called me about this, and I merely informed them that I'm gay. The discussion was over and I was off the hook.) And yes, management did back me when I withdrew all services from a user because of their nasty behavior - the user was fired, on the basis that they had such behavior problems they couldn't get along w

    1. Re:How I deal with finger pointers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. Never thought I'd run into a bitchy queen on Slashdot.

  26. The Categories in the Mirror by TrailerTrash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting analysis of end users.

    What kind of support techs are there?

    (1) The Whiz-Kid - just scraped by in college, but reached Level Google in every game during those 4 1/2 years. Builds PC's in (inevitibly his) spare time. Has never touched a mainframe in his life and doesn't really understand it, and therefore, looks down on it. Knows every upcoming Intel processor code name, but can't write code, else they would be in "real" IT. How to handle? Empathy. Tell them they are amazing, and let them add that secured printer driver to your system and reboot.

    (2) I'm New Here. Usually female, males will try to BS through it. Will have to check back with someone else on everything. How to handle? Empathy. Show patience. Be tolerant. Followup with an email to their boss thanking them if they didn't royally screw up. They are your friends for life.

    (3) Whatever. The private sector civil servant. Doesn't know, doesn't care, just get the job done and move on. How to handle? Empathy. Tell them they are very busy and you appreciate their time. Won't help move them any faster, but there is a 1% lower chance they'll totally bork your system.

    Interesting, how empathy is the correct response in every situation. There's a life lesson in there, young Jedi.

    On me: I joined a Fortune 25 company as an executive, and have since risen in the executive ranks. I actually am entitled to nearly anything. But I never, ever take that tack. I personally throw out a few questions to see what category they fall into and deal appropriately. Occasionally the newer ones (who haven't heard the rumors) will decide to do what TFA says, dive deep and bury the user (me) in tech talk. It hasn't worked even once. I may have a title, but I write code at home for fun. It's a kind of malicious fun to see them retreat to Executive Support with their wanna-be tech tails between their legs.