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Ch-Ch-Chatting With the South Pole's IT Manager

Have you ever thought about working at a place where the main worry is keeping the equipment from getting too cold? An excellent detailed interview with the IT manager of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. Getting service is a little tough. They try to maintain at least a year's worth of spare parts. Includes an interesting set of photos.

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  1. While you're keeping an eye on IT... by Lurker2288 · · Score: 3, Funny

    watch Clark. And watch him close.

    1. Re:While you're keeping an eye on IT... by Pojut · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's from John Carpenter's 1982 version of The Thing...rent it, horror/sci-fi classic. Great great stuff. Even by today's standards, the special effects are decent. Also notable for not having a single female in the entire movie (unless you count the voice of the chess computer early on in the movie)

  2. LOL antartic humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "My computer froze!"

  3. 300 club? by joeytmann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Being in Minnesota, I am used to cold weather, but -104F! I wouldn't go out in that with clothes on, let alone naked.

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    1. Re:300 club? by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I have done it myself and have seen a large portion of my dad's collegues do it in Russia (with slightly lower temperature differences - +220-230F to -4F).

      After a "proper" sauna (not the modern IR shit) you have to quickly chill down. If you go into hot water or try to chill down slowly you feel like shit after that. Now, ice cold water or even snow is a completely different story. It is the ultimate refresher. One of my dad collegues had a sauna near Moscow and we went there nearly every weekend during the winter when I was a kid. Coming out of 110-120C+ into -25-30C, breaking the ice on the water bucket with your bum and throwing snowballs at each other (that is 240F difference so a bit less than on the south pole). Totally nuts. Especially if you do it after a 20-30km ski run.

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  4. Santa lives at North Pole.... who's at South Pole? by ZeroFactorial · · Score: 3, Funny

    When the machines get too cold, they install Microsoft products.

    Then Satan shows up and heats up the joint.

  5. The one bright side to such an environment by Enlarged+to+Show+Tex · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has to be much, much easier to overclock machines when you never have to worry about overheating. Who needs liquid cooling when you can have polar cooling?

    1. Re:The one bright side to such an environment by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 4, Funny

      >It has to be much, much easier to overclock machines when you never have to worry about overheating.
      Two words: Global warming.

      And it's all their fault.

    2. Re:The one bright side to such an environment by cromar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of polar cooled super computers!

    3. Re:The one bright side to such an environment by myvirtualid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It has to be much, much easier to overclock machines when you never have to worry about overheating. Who needs liquid cooling when you can have polar cooling?

      Apparently not: The FA mentions that they are at 12,000 feet, so they have a real problem with computer fans not being able to move the thin air.

      Other effects of the thin air include laptop disks that don't spin properly, because they are built to float on a layer of air and are designed for near-sea-level densities. The air is also very dry, leading to increased risk of fires and disk failures caused by static.

      Fire is a huge problem in general, because in the winter they have no choice but to fight and extinguish. Relocation isn't an option. Very interesting article.

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    4. Re:The one bright side to such an environment by myvirtualid · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...they have attempted to do like they do in surgery tent in Iraq and create a positive air flow?

      I don't know, but it might not be a good idea. According to http://healthandenergy.com/suggested_indoor_air_pressure.htm,

      Moisture condensation and damage can occur below the roofs and within outer walls of heated buildings if indoor air pressure is significantly greater than outdoor air pressure.

      Of course, the next section of this page appears to contradict this....

      http://www.trane.com/commercial/library/vol31_2/index.asp#control has more on this. Summary: It's complicated, man.

      I asked about maintaining a positive pressure differential when we had an ERV installed (for reasons similar to those suggested by the PP); the technician indicated that while a nice theory, it could cause the ERV to ice up. They had been instructed to create a slightly negative pressure differential for this reason.

      So my modern, plastic sealed house has slightly negative pressure relative to the outside. Several years and counting, and no negative side effects as far as I can tell.

      Oh, and that's in Ottawa: Summer highs in the 40s, and very humid, winter lows in the -30s, and very dry. Nothing too extreme....

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    5. Re:The one bright side to such an environment by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fire is a huge problem in general, because in the winter they have no choice but to fight and extinguish. Relocation isn't an option. Very interesting article.

      Which is why, back when the DoD provided uniformed support personell (they contract out to civilians mostly now) - a high proportion of them were Navy, and a large fraction of those were submariners. (Sailors went mostly to the South Pole station, McMurdo was virtually an Army base.)
       
      I wanted to go - but never applied because it was almost certain my application would be denied out-of-hand. My job was treated as 'critically undermanned', regardless of actual manning, by administrative fiat. (Except for re-enlistment bonuses of course!) As a result of this, applications to go do things outside of our normal jobs were routinely denied without review.
       
      Though to be fair, my job field usually only had about 1000 people in it, including the 30-40 kids in the school at any given time, and it took about 1000 to man all our billets. If about 5-10 more guys got out in a given year than predicted, or 5-10 less than predicted per year made it through the school, it could and did cause problems. (Our school was second in difficulty (at the time) only to the nukes - routinely 30-40% of a class flunked out, with spikes much higher.)
  6. An old high school buddy of mine did this by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A high school buddy of mine went to the south pole a couple of years ago. Here's his blog.

  7. CDW by Verteiron · · Score: 5, Funny

    I click the link, and the first image is of a very cold-looking guy standing next to the South Pole marker. Underneath it is a CDW ad that states "We're there.".

    That may be the first time I've cracked a smile at an online ad.

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  8. Re:Santa lives at North Pole.... who's at South Po by techpawn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who lives at the south pole? Herschel the Hanukkah goblin you insensitive cod!

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  9. Re:NSFW by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I'm not sure how a smiley face is NSFW but whatever.

    Personally, being that it was a balmy +5F outside this morning on my walk in from the car, I was seriously considering making my dreams come true and showing up in a school completely naked -- well, except for the yellow smiley face hovering over my dick.

  10. cue the jokes now by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Funny
    worst virus - W32/Snow.a http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_138727.htm
    Security software - BlackIce
    Snow license Manager
    Snow screen savers
  11. Too cold ? by this+great+guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you ever thought about working at a place where the main worry is keeping the equipment from getting too cold?

    Isn't that a perfect situation to make use of Netburst-based Pentium 4 processors ?

  12. inaccurate article by sootman · · Score: 5, Funny

    All those pics are upside-down! :-)

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  13. Other Antarcitc Resource by cthulu_mt · · Score: 2, Informative

    This site (www.bigdeadplace.com/) is dedicated to the stories of what really goes on at McMurdo. It's a very funny read; I haven't gotten around to buying the book yet.

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  14. Geosynchronous satellite dish at that lattitude? by Chris+Shannon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At 80 degrees north in Eureka, Nunavut, Canada, you would need to point an antenna horizontally to communicate with a geostationary satellite.
    There's a photo of an satellite dish antenna pointing horizontally at the south pole. Is communication with that satellite only possible during certain times of the day?

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  15. Re:Geosynchronous satellite dish at that lattitude by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you RTFA, you will find that they only have connectivity for about 12 hours a day using at least 3 different satellites. The article is pretty interesting, go ahead and indulge.

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  16. Denver by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason the guy keeps referring to his people back in Denver is because logistics and support for the South Pole station (and McMurdo, too, I think) are run by Raytheon Polar Services, which is based in Colorado. The Antarctic program is run out of Washington by the National Science Foundation, but they contract out the actual infrastructure, operations, and other support.

  17. "Image Gallery: The Loneliest Place on Earth" by trashpickinman · · Score: 2, Funny

    How'd they get pictures of my parents basement where I live? Oh wait, pictures of Antarctica, never mind. Still cold in both places though.

  18. Re:Why they cannot get supplies/parts during Winte by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's sort of the weather. It's cold and windy during the winter, sure. But, it's also dark - completely and utterly dark for months at a time during the dead of winter. There aren't any lights on the runway, or air traffic radar either, so there's a good chance the plane will smack onto the snow rather than land. It's very difficult to compact and maintain the snow/ice runway during the winter. If a plane were to land, they would have to keep the engines revved up and the plane moving - if they were to stop and shutdown the skis would freeze to the runway and the engines would refuse to restart.

    also bear in mind that any plane they sent up there would almost certainly have to go through McMurdo. They generally use modified C-130s for their heavy transport, and they don't have tremendous range on one tank of gas. So, you'd need to get a plane first to McMurdo, which has its own difficulties of winter flying, and then head to the South Pole.

    None of this is to say that they can't fly in during the winter. If the station were to blow up, for instance, they'd get some daring pilots to head in for a rescue. A few years back there was someone on the over-winter crew that needed treatment for breast cancer (it was the doctor, ironically enough), and they did some dicey flights for that (to send supplies, then for an early extraction). It's mostly that they prefer to not have to, because it's logistically difficult and mighty risky.

  19. Re:South Poles by Zenaku · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because Antarctica is covered by a giant ice sheet, and the ice sheet moves. As the ice sheet moves, the entire station and the marker pole drift away from the true geographic south pole. They have to stick a new pole into the ice every year, at the spot that is over the geographic south pole at that moment.

    So in the pictures, one of the marker poles is probably from a previous year.

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  20. Re:Sounds awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This AC is actually in the same office at NPX with the subject of TFA.

    I've only been here for a month, but I love it. It's weird. You must have a high tolerance for everything: extremes of temperature, people, daylight or lack thereof, variety of food or lack thereof, limited hardware and software choice, members of the opposite sex, etc.

    The new Amundsen-Scott South Pole Elevated Station is way cool for a geek. It's like an extraplanetary outpost. Yes, you can go outside whenever you want, but you also take full responsibility for your well-being for even the most mundane of tasks. I snowmobile out to remote buildings with gig-E switches in -60F. I got drafted into a fire response team to help protect myself and everyone else here. I can get called for a fire alarm 24x7x365. And of the three Sundays I have been here, I worked two, doing 13 10-hour+ days in a row.

    And after 15 years in the industry, working for Big Blue, SUNW and others, I really enjoy this work environment. It combines extreme adventure with unique technical challenges. Not to mention associating with women who can fuel huge military aircraft and weld.

    And I'll be here until November 2008. I suspect that after this article (.25Million hits in 24 hours so far), my job won't be too hard to fill once I move on to a land where birds fly and grass grows.

    Regards from 90-South,

    The Fingee

    PS V-word = "deathbed" I hope that's not prophetic down here.

  21. Re:South Poles by Deep+Penguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is only one Geographic South Pole, but the sign now has the legend on both sides. One side faces the station, the other side faces away, with a view of, essentially, the polar plateau in the general direction of the departure-end of the skiway.

    Also, from looking at the Pole markers in each picture (we get a new one every January), it looks to me as if the #1 shot was taken in either March, 2004 (around sunset) or September, 2004 (around sunrise), and the #7 shot was taken this summer season, sometime since mid-October, 2007. If the #7 picture were high enough resolution, you could see my signature on the aluminum plate on the Pole itself.

  22. Re:Why they cannot get supplies/parts during Winte by Deep+Penguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more than just cold and windy in the winter. The temperature floor for an LC-130 (C-130 with skis) is -50C. Even in the summer, they don't land when it's colder than that. The various hydraulic systems (including the ski-retraction mechanism) don't work well when it's too cold. As for "leaving the engines running", they do that in the summer.

    To come down here in the middle of winter, they would do what they did in April, 2001 for a medevac of a different doctor, send a Twin Otter from Canada. It has a shorter range than an LC-130, so it has to fly down the Americas, hop over to Antarctica at the Drake Passage, refuel and switch from tires to skis at Rothera Base, then fly to Pole and refuel here. They do that at the beginning of every season, then reverse it to go home.

    The situation you mention was in 1999, and involved an air-drop of supplies from a C-141, then a C-130 showing up about two weeks early, in mid-October, weeks after the sun rose. The Twin Otter medevac was in full dark and around -80F.

    All that being said, yes, it is difficult, and it is risky. It had better be a matter of life or death to bring a plane here between late February and early October. If the station did blow up, and there were no immediate life-threatening injuries, there are plans to be able to survive for weeks/months in either the B-wing of the new station (it can be split in half for a catastrophic fire in the A-wing) or in other buildings that can be heated without depending on the main power plant. The winter crews are large enough that it would take five or six Twin Otter flights to evacuate the station. That would be incredibly tricky to accomplish. An air-drop would be orders of magnitude easier, especially since until 1995, they used to do that every winter.

  23. Re:Sounds awesome by jotok · · Score: 2, Informative

    McMurdo Station is always hiring.

    Ask yourself what kind of stuff you want to tell your grandkids when you're old. Then sign up :P
    I'm dying to winter down there--just to say I've done it--heck, I'd apply for the janitor job if that's all that was available. They don't seem to have much need for security consultants :\

  24. Re:Sounds awesome by rossifer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) Vitamin D (D3, 4000-10000IU/day) is your friend. SAD appears to be a symptom of vitamin D deficiency and supplementation of D3 (not D2, which is harmful in large quantities and ineffective in small quantities) can be very effective at resolving it.

    Vitamin D deficiency has been implicated in many other diseases of civilization and correcting the deficiency (getting the value above 60ng/ml) seems to help with lots of issues, from osteoporosis to low HDL levels to atherosclerosis to depression to cancer (reduces tumor growth rates).

    There are more than 200 kinds of vitamin D receptors in the body. It does an astonishingly large number of things, and most people who don't work outside are severely deficient. Working on the South Pole is the extreme of that case.