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Auto Mileage Standards Raised to 35 mpg

Ponca City, We Love You writes "The Senate just passed a bill that will increase auto mileage standards for the first time in three decades. The auto industry's fleet of new cars, sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks and vans will have to average 35 mpg by 2020, a significant increase over the 2008 requirement of 27.5 mpg average. For consumers, the legislation will mean that over the next dozen years auto companies will likely build more diesel-powered SUVs and gas-electric hybrid cars as well as vehicles that can run on 85 percent ethanol. Automakers had vehemently opposed legislation in June that contained the same mileage requirements and Fortune magazine reported that American automakers were starting the miles-per-gallon race far behind Japan and that the new standards could doom US automakers. At the time, Chrysler officially put the cost of meeting the proposed rules at $6,700 per vehicle. The White House announced the President will sign the bill if it comes to his desk."

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  1. Remember US gallons are smaller... by megla · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...so before all us Brits start going on about how our cars perform so much better, you need to multiply US MPG figures by 1.2 to make them equivilant to UK MPG figures, as an Imperial gallon > US gallon.

  2. Re:Only 35? by ishmaelflood · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Different engines have drastically different amounts of CO2/Gallon emissions"

    No they don't. All the carbon in the fuel ends up as carbon, carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide. CO is oxidised to CO2 in the cat, and C will be oxidised in the cats of 2010 diesel engines. C (soot) is not a problem in current gasoline engines.

    "They are weakly correlated to be sure"

    They are strongly correlated. >>0.9

    Stop talking out your arse.

  3. peak oil by hitchhacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oil - proved reserves for the world (billion barrels):
    1,312,000,000,000 bbl
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html
    (notice Canada's oil shale is second to Saudi Arabia)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

    Oil - consumption for the world (bbl per day):
    82,590,000 bbl/day
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html

    I agree that, even now, we will be seeing an exponential increase in the price of oil. That doesn't diminish the fact that Hubbert's "peak oil" is real, and will occur on a global scale in a matter of decades if not already.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil#Conservative_predictions_of_future_oil_production

    I work in the oil exploration industry.. Oil isn't so easy to find, you know.

    -metric

  4. Re:Why aren't they doing this /anyway/? by Stevecrox · · Score: 5, Informative

    You obviously don't know why people in the UK pay so much extra, the government levies a tax on the fuel a "fuel tax" if you will. This fuel tax is then spent on maintaining the roads, public transport and other road related things. Alot of americans argue they have poor public transport, a gradually increased fuel tax would allow your government to improve such services and the quality of your roads. A fuel tax theoretically provides a buffer against rising oil costs as well.

    There's the knock on effects as well, my performance motorcycle does 60MPG, my last motorcycle did 110MPG, my parents car does 54MPG on average, my various work mates cars all do 40+MPG. When I needed to get to a neighbouring town 6/7 miles away I had the choice of various buses and a train (it actually took as long to get there by train/bus as it normally does by car.)

    The *high* fuel costs in america are already getting people to consider better performing cars why not capatilise on this and use it to improve your infrastructure as well.

  5. Widespread ethanol blends - and the water scam by murderlegendre · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case you aren't aware, gasoline-ethanol blends are subject to a little trick known as the water scam. As you are probably aware, water is not soluble in gasoline - but water is soluble in ethanol, and this ethanol-water mix is partially soluble in gasoline. In short, water can be mixed into gasoline-ethanol blends.. I'm sure you can see where this is going.

    As high-ethanol blends such as E85 become more widespread, and fuel prices climb, the opportunity and ability to scam the consumer will multiply. Fortunately, testing for water in gasoline blends is relatively simple, requiring only a simple, inexpensive test kit.

    Believe it or not, I actually managed to get an Amoco station shut down (temporarily) in the late 1980s for pulling just this scam. I was in tech school at the time, and noticed that fuel from this station had a way of making my fuel-finicky BMW motorbike run very badly. Did the test, found something like 8-10% water, and called the regulatory authority. Saw the closed sign on the station several days later..

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