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RIAA Backs Down On "Unlicensed Investigator"

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Texas grandmother Rhonda Crain got the RIAA to drop its monetary claims against her after she filed counterclaims against the record companies for using an investigator, MediaSentry, which is not licensed to conduct investigations in the State of Texas. The RIAA elected to drop its claims rather than wait for the Judge to decide the validity of Ms. Crain's charges (PDF) that the plaintiff record companies were 'aware that the... private investigations company was unlicensed to conduct investigations in the State of Texas specifically, and in other states as well... and understood that unlicensed and unlawful investigations would take place in order to provide evidence for this lawsuit, as well as thousands of others as part of a mass litigation campaign.' Similar questions about MediaSentry's unlicensed investigations were raised recently by the State Attorney General of Oregon in Arista v. Does 1-17"

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  1. More important question by bconway · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is MediaSentry licensed to investigate in the state in which they actually performed the investigation? The location of the plaintiff's IP is irrelevant, it could be next door, it could be in Alaska.

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  2. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree.. I don't know if she has to drop her cross-complaint just because the RIAA's bailing.

    -jcr

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  3. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one connected with the RIAA mob has any accountability.

    Even if RIAA loses money on this, it doesn't matter much. Until some RIAA board members are facing real prison time, they will use whatever tactics the manage to get away with.

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  4. direction is good though by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    things are changing, people are waking up to the danger and harm of these parasite cartels

  5. Why try so hard to appeal to emotion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ray is definitely fighting the good fight in taking a lead on all the RIAA nonsense, but one thing miffs me quite a bit. Why is it that every time he writes about someone who got sued, it's always "Texas grandmother So-and-So" or "Mother-of-two Blah Blah" or "Penniless, Starving Immigrant Family With Two Unwell Cats" or whatever? What difference does it make in this case that she's a grandmother? I see nothing in the summary of the TFA that explains why this is in any way relevant.

    I mean sure, it's useful to keep in mind that there are human beings involved here, but any more than that is a fairly obvious attempt at clouding objective discussion by appealing to sympathy. It annoys me constantly, and I would think any semi-intelligent person would see right through this. If the facts are so firmly on the defendants' sides as Ray would have us all believe, why is it necessary to resort to such blatantly manipulative appeal to emotion? /CF

    1. Re:Why try so hard to appeal to emotion? by Tuoqui · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet every time a big faceless corporation tries to dehumanize someone in order to win a case by preemptively labeling someone as guilty of copyright infringement.

      If the RIAA was so sure about their cases as they would have you believe then they would take each and every case to court instead of offering these $3000 get out of jail free cards and backing out of any and all cases where they may look like they will lose.

      But hey its fine for them, its just not fine for the grandmother/disabled person/single mother of two to try to shame the RIAA into dropping their case by giving them some bad publicity.

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    2. Re:Why try so hard to appeal to emotion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Well, I guess it's because Ray wants us to know who the targets of the RIAA attack dogs are, and also to point out that some of the people they accuse often don't know anything about piracy, sometimes don't have P2P software and even occasionally don't own computers. This illustrates how shoddy the investigative work leading up to these lawsuits is, and how they continue to push on with their attacks even against innocent but defenseless defendants, forcing them to settle for what often appears to be extortion money.

      If you think it's partly for the sympathy vote, however, you might be correct. On the other hand, the RIAA their counterparts in the movie industry routinely tell us how piracy hurts the poor artists, sound engineers, grips, and buffet table assistants - I'm sure they do that for the same reason. People would probably have less sympathy if they instead thought piracy was hurting only people like Michael Eisner, who (according to Forbes in 2005) was making $95,576,000 over 5 years. In fact, they might even think that instead of laying off the "best boy", he could personally part with a few dollars to cover the $60,000 salaries of a few of them.

      You can say it's an obvious attempt at clouding objective discussion, but is it any different than the propaganda coming from the plaintiffs in these actions?

      Oh, and the last, and probably most influential reason why these stories are titled like this is because it gets people to read them. And lets face it, that's really what Ray and the Slashdot editors want!

    3. Re:Why try so hard to appeal to emotion? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Emotion is relevant in some decisions, and irrelevant in others. For example, it is irrelevant in the decision of whether the RIAA should be allowed to use unlicensed PIs. It is irrelevant to the question of whether Rhonda Crain is guilty of violating the RIAA's members copyrights. There's no "emotion" in this equation: no license = evidence upon which case is based is inadmissible = no case.
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  6. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by brouski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until we can get rid of the general public perception that "piracy == bad" and "recording industry == good" they aren't going to face penalties.

    When is piracy not bad?

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  7. Case closed by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In response to several questions that have been raised:

    1. The case is now closed, counterclaims and all.

    2. I have a hunch MediaSentry is not licensed anywhere.

    3. The injunction is a consent decree. It doesn't carry with it any implied finding of liability at all. It's merely a promise, by a 70-something lady who never heard of filesharing, that she will not in the future engage in unauthorized filesharing of plaintiffs' recordings.

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    1. Re:Case closed by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is it that the RIAA is always allowed to withdraw from a case, in order to avoid setting a disadvantageous precedent, without consequences? Does the casino let you take your chips of the table in the middle of the game because the hand is going badly for you? You can fold your hand, but you cannot withdraw without consequences (i.e. loosing your chips). The difference here is that the accused is forced to play the legal game by the accuser (i.e. the RIAA) and so there should be no privilege for the accuser to withdraw without consequences. Perhaps, for the benefit us laypeople, you can explain this one for us. Thank you. The defendants have neither the money nor the stomach for going to war with a multinational cartel of 4 huge record companies.
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    2. Re:Case closed by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, so much for equal justice under the civil law (I guess that only applies to criminal cases and even there money makes some people more equal than others). Isn't this precisely the sort of abuse that class action was designed to prevent? Perhaps some enteprising lawyers will find a way to collect from the RIAA on behalf of this class of defendants, well we can hope anyway. Thank you NewYorkCountryLawyer for answering my question. There is a class action going on. Andersen v. Atlantic.
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  8. Re:What's the significance of a license by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They aren't licensed anywhere.

  9. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by jmnormand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if RIAA loses money on this, it doesn't matter much. Until some RIAA board members are facing real prison time, they will use whatever tactics the manage to get away with. It matters if the share holders and parent execs of the media companies actually have enough intelligence to realize they are wasting what will amount to billions on a losing battle rather than spending the money to innovate and become more profitable. Until then all we can do is fight, fortunately we out number them a million or so to one...
  10. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by jmnormand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when its perfectly legal fair use. which by the strict modern definition is still piracy. now if your talking the old school definition, well im not on a boat so...

  11. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by ibbey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When is piracy not bad?

    The problem is the loaded term "piracy". Is it bad to download a few songs from an artist that you've heard of but never heard? I've done that several times. In the vast majority of those cases, I would not have bought the artists albums if I had not downloaded their songs first. In some cases, I didn't like what I heard & left it at that. In several other cases I have since bought albums by those artists, and in at least a few cases, I now own every CD available from the artist. So would you call my "piracy" in these cases a bad thing, even though they ended up resulting in more money in the artists pocket?

  12. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by lazy_playboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "When is P2P actually fair use?"

    When you use P2P to hear a demo of an album then go on to buy the whole back catalogue. It's not fair use in legal terms, but certainly is in moral term.

  13. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When is piracy not bad?

    Depends of your personal definition of "piracy". The term "piracy" was, right from the start, a new term intended to be as loaded as it could be to refer to the unauthorized commercialization of copyrighted works. In that time, no normal person could possibly consider that guy selling bootleg tapes/books to be a menace to society. After all, the only thing that that guy did was duplicate something and sell it cheaper than others. That couldn't possibly hurt society.

    So, in order to fight that perceived source of lower profits, the companies that were in the business of selling authorized copies of those works decided to shut that down. As they weren't able to gather public support for that battle then they decided to start a public relations campaign against the unauthorized commercialization of copyrighted books (their competition). The first step was coining a negative image to the unauthorized sellers, which originated terms like "bootlegger" and "pirate", evil figures associated with violent, organized crime. It's easier to fight someone/something when they are evil. There was no surprise a while back when some american retarded record company spokesperson started associating "piracy" to terrorism.

    Now those companies intend to include in that definition people who have absolutely nothing to do with the old definition of "piracy". Now the record companies, motivated by greed and the lust for control, want to label anyone who downloads anything remotely copyrighted as a "pirate". There is no commercialization of any copyrighted work. Now, instead of attempting to smear and fight the distributors, they are trying to attack the end consumer.

    Does it make any sense to label as pirates people who bought unauthorized copies of copyrighted works? Obviously not. Yet, the record companies are trying to go the extra nonsense mile and pin that nasty, loaded label on people who access those works without ever exchanging any money.

    So it isn't a question of "when is piracy not bad". As questionable as "piracy", the unauthorized commercialization of a copyrighted work, may be, the real question that must be placed here, and unfortunately you failed to understand, is why is non-"piracy" actions being labelled as "piracy" in the first place? If I download something for personal use after paying absolutely nothing for it then how exactly can you claim that I'm commercializing an unauthorized copy of some copyrighted work? Moreover, why should anyone be called a "pirate" if what that person is doing is perfectly included in their nation's fair use doctrine?

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  14. When was (old school) piracy good? by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Risking an offtopic mod I will answer the question talking the old school definition: Piracy was seen as good when the pirates restricted themselves to pirating from "the enemy". These privateers were licensed to attack foreign ships and keep the spoils.

  15. RIAA Commeted a crime by thorkyl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the use of knowingly hiring an unlicensed investigator to investigate the case
    in its self is a crime and if they used the same firm to investigate multiple cases then it is a standard practice which means that it is a RICO act violation and should be prosecuted as such.

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  16. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    None of the cases are about 'piracy'. In copyright parlance, 'piracy' means large scale commercial reproduction and resale of copies. Not a single case brought by the RIAA has involved 'piracy'. It is the MPAA/RIAA propagandists who have been trying to rewrite the definition of the term 'piracy'.

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  17. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by jmnormand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    p2p and piracy are two different things. however i would argue downloading music you own the rights to but no longer have a working hard copy of is a perfectly legitimate use of p2p, and i suspect a court would find the same.

  18. Re:Is she going to sue MediaSentry? by klagermkii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People seem to forget that the purpose of copyright is not to give the author ultimate control of their work, but rather to provide a way for them to make money and thereby encourage them to keep churning out more things. Copyright is a case of the ends justifying the means. Prohibiting others from duplicating, so as to allow the author to make money, is a "necessary evil" but not the real purpose of it.

    The IP brigade have tried to turn this whole thing around so that what was just a necessary evil (i.e the prohibitation of duplication) becomes the real purpose of copyright.

    We need to get back to the original spirit of copyright, where if it makes the author more money than they would have otherwise had (even if you've broken copyright law) then you're doing your part to help the cause of the arts and sciences.

  19. Re:Not surprising by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that an organization the size of the RIAA, with its nearly unlimited resources, would effectively throw up their hands and walk away should speak volumes to other victims and consumers in general, and I'm certain the brightest legal minds in the US are reviewing this case with a fine-toothed comb to discover exactly what the perceived weaknesses were. Well I don't know about the "brightest legal minds" but I'm certainly "reviewing it" and don't think I need a "fine-toothed comb" to discover the weakness. It's the fact that their entire house of cards is built on something that's inadmissible in evidence.
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