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Xbox 360's Jamming Wireless Signals?
WirePosted writes "A report has emerged suggesting the Xbox 360's inbuilt wireless system for communication with wireless controllers and headsets is transmitting over a wide area of the 2.4Ghz spectrum, causing interference to WLAN's and other 2.4Ghz devices."
I would think we would have heard of this problem long before now. There are million of these units and when they are not displaying the red ring of death, you think this problem would be shutting down WLANs worldwide generating numerous WTFs. Microsoft also sells its own USB wireless adapter for the XBOX 360. You think the wireless adapter would be nuked by the wireless controller if this was the case.
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Just a little anicdotal evidence but I have a 360 in the same room at my PC which is on wireless and two access points in that room as well. They all work fine at the same time.
Something along the lines of:
(1) Tolerate interference from other devices. (2) .... something else that I forget....
You see, the FCC does not want to have to certify that each and every $3 wireless mouse keeps its emissions within 0.2 KHz of 945.343 MHz at a field strength of no more than 330 microvolts / meter.
Welcome to the Republican Spectrum of the Future.
It's bad because 2.4 Ghz is radio, carrying digital info, which due to the nature of the produced sign wave results in a signal distortion more commonly known as "bleed over". Without the ability to separate the signals by a large frequency, digital over analog bleeds all over the place.
The hell? There is nothing magic about digital data that means you can't bandwidth-limit the outgoing transmission. There are plenty of digital radio protocols that use a very well defined slice of bandwidth, without any more bleed over than traditional AM or FM radio analog broadcasts. Just because the signal represents digital data doesn't mean you have to use square waves or something.
I suppose we should all be thankful that radio engineers are better educated than the average Slashdot poster...
(Of course, it's entirely possible there's something broken about the XBOX radio. It's also entirely possible it's just a spread-spectrum transmitter doing exactly what it's supposed to do in a largely unregulated piece of spectrum.)
WiFi refreshes so often that most people dont notice the significant proformance drop
their internet connection is almost always the real choke point anyways.
This isn't really new news as shown by this article from 2005. It talks about Wal-Mart's problems with some of it's 360 kiosks causing problems with their wireless inventory system.
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A small college is experience problems with their new wireless network equipment in the presence of a few xbox's. however, apparently all over the rest of the country, in huge universities with thousands of xbox 360s... there's no problem whatsoever. the only bit that doesn't fit with this is that they said the IT staff had issues using their bluetooth headsets. now, the only comment i can make on this is that i think they have cheap bluetooth headsets. they said the 360 makes the signal even when its not turned on... just plugged in. i have both a ps3 & 360 virtually one on top of the other (a shelf plus a few inches of space in between) and the ps3's bluetooth controllers work just as fine as they did before i got the 360. so, all in all, i think this is a load of bull. the 360 has been out for way too long for this to not have been noticed. i think something else is screwing with their headsets & wireless network. or maybe its just the wireless network thats screwing with the headsets and they're looking for a scapegoat.
There's a lot of stuff that operates in this range. From the article itself it merely says: "It's not clear whether the signal disrupts the college's WLAN access points or students' wireless notebooks. There is some anecdotal evidence, however, that it at least affects other radios in the same 2.4GHz band." Basically the article just talks about a 'strange' 2.4GHz signal that they found and didn't know where it came from. Turned out it came from the XBox 360 (and that is admittedly his "best guess"). No evidence or claim in the article that it is interfering with any WLANs, he basically just says they need to do more 'systematic testing' (that is, putting a bunch of 360s in the room to see if they can cause interference).
Nothing to see here...
This is why I hate everything that's wireless. Devices interfere with each other, they have to be recharged all the time, and it's slow! I propose a revolution, a revolution where devices don't interfere with each other, they don't need to be recharged, and is fast! I propose the use of thin threads of copper for signal transmission and power supply. In fact, I am inventing the next BlackBerry killer. Imagine a phone which never drops a signal, never requires charging, and can transfer data at 1gbps. That's right, a phone that's wired! Now, I just need to make sure NTP doesn't sue the crap out of me for wired e-mail.
For the record, my Wii seems to have problems with the wireless. If I leave the WiiConnect24 on, after a couple days the wireless router stops responding, and it doesn't kick back on until I turn off the WiiConnect24 , even after I reboot the router.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
My license reads technician too. What is this "sign wave" you're talking about? Is it a stop sign? A sign from on high? I'm sure you can connect the dots in a QAM constellation to make many different signs.
I'd have thought that if the Wii was messing up a laptop's WiFi connection, it would also have been messing up its OWN WiFi connection. Coupled with the fact that it uses an international standard (bluetooth) for its wireless controllers, which is used by millions of other devices without problem, it seems unlikely that it's messing up WiFi signals.
The 360, on the other hand, doesn't have WiFi, and has wireless controllers that use a proprietary (I think) wireless system, on the same frequency spectrum as WiFi. There's every chance that it interferes.
Wouldn't it have been better to say "I hate everything that's unlicensed wireless"?
Devices interfere with each otherI've never had an interference issue with a cell phone. Of course my cell phone is using a licensed band......
they don't need to be rechargedThis is the single reason why I've never bought a bluetooth headset. Yet another device to charge. Somebody needs to give me a rational explanation for why mini-usb hasn't become the charging standard across the industry. Motorola is using it for all of their stuff (phones and headsets). Why is nobody else? Yes, I mean you Nokia.....
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
"Devices that use spread spectrum do not cause interference with each other"
There, fixed that for you.
Seriously, anybody that has ever tried to use an analog 2.4Ghz cordless phone near a busy wi-fi network knows that they do cause interference. Hell, I can even tell when my wi-fi has a burst of activity if I'm using my bluetooth headset.... and bluetooth is supposed to avoid channels that are in use.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
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You are right about 2.4 GHz devices interfering with each other. That's about it.
First: Wi-Fi devices may be assigned "static channels", but these are not minimally wide frequency bands as you imply. In fact, the channels are 30Mhz wide and contain spread spectrum signals. Channel 1 overlaps channels 2 through 5 enough to cause interference.
Second: Digital modulation techniques need not "bleed over" significantly past the bandwidth required to carry the information (i.e. potentially less than analog transmission of the same information). For example, psk31 is a digital mode with a bandwidth of about 31Hz.
Third: Modulated signals are necessarily not sine waves. Especially signals designed to look like noise (n.b. Wi-Fi is meant to look like noise across 30MHz of spectrum). You will see changes in frequency or phase (I'm not certain which). If individual cycles of the 2.4GHz waveform you saw looked rough then you made a mistake sampling the signal. Visible distortion of a single wave so far out of bad it would not affect any 2.4GHz devices.
BTW, my license says "Extra".