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Microsoft is the Industry's Most Innovative Company?

mjasay writes "According to a recent analysis by IEEE, Microsoft's patent portfolio tops the industry in terms of overall quality of its patents. And while Microsoft came in second to IBM in The Patent Board's 2006 survey, its upcoming 2007 report has Microsoft besting IBM (and even its 2006 report had Microsoft #1 in terms of the "scientific strength" of its patent portfolio). All of which begs the question: Just where is all this innovation going? To Clippy? Consumers and business users don't buy patents. They buy products that make their lives easier or more productive, yet Microsoft doesn't seem to be able to turn its patent portfolio into much more than life support for its existing Office and Windows monopolies. In sum, if Microsoft is so innovative, why can't we get something better than the Zune?"

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  1. Re:MS does have some valuable patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A word on Microsoft's ClearType "innovation":
    http://www.grc.com/ctwho.htm

  2. ClearType cannot be read by anyone by wikinerd · · Score: 4, Informative

    innovative things (example: ClearType)

    I have extreme difficulty to read ClearType text. I think this is related to the way the eyes of some people work and that other people also have similar problems.

    I always thought that everyone was seeing the same things as me (fuzzy text hidden in an abyss of colours) and I thought well, maybe the whole world turned crazy or what, until I told what I were seeing to some other people and I asked them what they were seeing and they said "soft black letters", and then I read about the issue a bit and confirmed that yes, I am one of these people who can't read this stuff.

    One would assume that the purpose of text is to be read rather than to look pretty. In this regard, ClearType creates difficulties for some people whose eyes can discern colour in more "resolution" than other people (ie it penalises people who have better eyes).

  3. Re:Did they include... by s4m7 · · Score: 4, Informative

    [...]accurate thumbnails of virtual desktops and using those to swich between the desktop (as previews)[...] Is there anything that had this feature prior to 2002? The Enlightenment window manager's desktop pager has done that since 1998, possibly earlier.
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  4. Patently Absurd. by delire · · Score: 4, Informative

    The size of a patent portfolio cannot be a reasonable measure of innovation, especially in this case given that much of the Microsoft patent portfolio comprises bought patents: patents are bought and sold just like any other commodity.

    Secondly, a patent doesn't guarantee the given innovation ever reaches the market. To the contrary, patents are often used to protect an existing inferior product from going to market by having a monopoly over a potentially superceding product. As a result it's possible to argue that patents discourage actual innovation rather than encourage it.

  5. Re:My only guess is that it is the handheld OS!! by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Informative

    As far as I know, T-SQL only allows top(). Whereas MYSQL allows Limit X, Y, which allows you to basically "page" results to show, say records 5-10. T-SQL makes it redundant:

    MYSQL:
    SELECT * FROM records LIMIT 5, 5

    T-SQL
    SELECT TOP(5) * FROM records WHERE id NOT IN (SELECT TOP(5) * FROM records)

    They both select records 5-10, but one is more redundant. (and possibly more memory intensive, slower, etc)

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  6. Microsoft actually does real research ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think that means what you think it means. I'm sure that there are lots of "innovative" patents in MS's portfolio, though I'm certain that many were purchased elsewhere rather than developed in house.

    It does not seem that you are qualified to comment on the shortcomings of others, you need to work on yourself first. Those interested in what MS actually does in house might want to look at Micorsoft Research's project page: http://research.microsoft.com/research/projects/default.aspx.

    Also, out of house research is not necessarily patented. A friend did research on distributed shared computing in grad school. The project was supported by Microsoft, they had access to Windows source code, they were not restricted from publishing their research.

  7. I don't think it means what you think it means by porneL · · Score: 4, Informative
  8. Microsoft has many innovations in their products. by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 3, Informative

    Slashdotters are largely clueless regarding Microsoft, and willfully so.

    First, Office *does* have lots of innovations, particularly Office 97 and Office 2007.
    Clippy *was* innovative. Yeah, it failed, but a lot of research went into it.

    LINQ *does* rock.
    Which reminds me that Microsoft just recently released a CTP of the .NET Parallel Extensions, allowing easy use of multiple cores in .NET code, including PLINQ (Parallel LINQ).

    VC-1 *is* the most efficient hidef video codec.

    XNA *is* an innovative product.
    See the 2006 DEMMX Awards and see that Microsoft won Best of Show - Innovator of the Year (beating out the likes of Apple, who won a lesser award for video iPod) and Game Innovation of the Year, both for XNA.

    Microsoft *has* been commissioned by the JPEG working group to develop JPEG XR (aka HD Photo aka Windows Media Photo) as the next-gen photo image standard (where JPEG2000 failed).
    Industry Standardization for HD Photo

    Check out this article on SIGGRAPH 2007 and learn that Microsoft is leading the way regarding graphics technology.
    Siggraph: Microsoft the new research powerhouse in graphics?

    F# *is* being "productized" and is already used in Xbox Live.

    Vista *does* have excellent speech recognition (despite a failed demo of a beta), even admitted to by Mac fanboy David Pogue.
    Telling Your Computer What to Do
    Windows 2 Apples

    TabletPC'S *do* have the best handwriting recognition in the biz.

    It goes on and on.

    Microsoft Research is this era's "Bell Labs" and "Xerox PARC", but much of Microsoft Research's stuff does wind up in products. Microsoft Live Labs is also doing interesting stuff like Volta (which is being productized), Photosynth, etc.

    Just because slashdotters don't are totally ignorant of Microsoft tech doesn't mean that such tech doesn't exist.

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  9. Actually, the original Clippy was very innovative by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Informative
    Actually, if you look into the history of Clippy, it started out based on very serious research in machine learning and human/computer interaction. Researchers developed a very awesome system that watched what you did, learned your work habits, and could figure out when you were having trouble, and then make useful suggestions. The product development people took this research and made Clippy, and explained to the marketing folks how great this was (and it was great).

    The marketing folks decided it wasn't coming up enough (who want's a revolutionary feature hidden away most of the time?), and so made the development people dumb Clippy down, so it would think you were in trouble at the first sign of anything slights wrong, and pop up.

    I suspect that this happens a lot with Microsoft products. The research version of Clippy was probably one of the best online help aids ever--way ahead of, and far more useful than, anything you'll find on Linux or Mac. Then marketing turns it into a joke.

  10. Umm... examples? by linumax · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thing is, where is this alleged research going? We don't see it in MS's products; this was stated in the article summary.
    XMLHttpRequest
    VC1
    XBox Live and XNA
    C#
    Ribbon
    Sharepoint

    or those nice mice/keyboard that Microsoft makes, they get a lot of patents for those, or if SQL Server does something better in the next release, well they get patents for the new algorithm/method that helped them achieve better performance.

    Of course, if you open your eyes, there's a lot more, and they are affecting millions of people.
  11. Re:MSFT invented IPv6!? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yes, you are reading it wrong. They are saying those are technologies in Microsoft products that came into the Microsoft products via Microsoft Research. The implementation of IPv6 in Windows came from a research implementation that MS Research did back around 1998, to further network research, for example. They didn't invent it--they implemented it to use for network research, but the product development side of the company got to benefit from that. They are including that as an example of why it is worthwhile to fund researchers.

    As for the other things you list, some of them did originate at Microsoft, or Microsoft was among the first. Spam filtering, for example (no Paul Graham was not first with statistical spam filtering--he was the first to popularize it). And they have indeed invented quite a bit of photography analysis tools.

    Microsoft Research is basically an academic research lab. The place their results usually go are peer-reviewed journals and conference proceedings (which is why most people here never hear of them). But they also work with the product development side of the company so that the products can include this stuff, whether it was something invented at Microsoft, or something that was invented somewhere else and MS Research simply contributed advancements to the original investment.