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Norway Mandates Government Use of ODF and PDF

siDDis writes "Earlier this year Slashdot mentioned that Norway was moving towards mandatory use of ODF and PDF. Now it's official: the Norwegian government has mandated the use of open document formats from January 1st, 2009. There are three formats that have been mandated for all documentation between authorities, users and partners. HTML for all public information on the Web, PDF for all documents where layout needs to be preserved and ODF for all documents that the recipient is supposed to be able to edit. Documents may also be published in other formats, but they must always be available in either ODF or PDF."

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  1. well duh by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you really think about it, how stupid would it be if a large government agency even in the US sent out a "document meant for editing" in a microsoft office format. I mean seriously. If the IRS sent me a tax form as a .doc file I would call them up and tell em what I thought of that but probably wouldn't get through cuz it'd already be flooded with pissed off people. I mean, that's like requiring all US citizens to own a copy of Office. Same with Norway. Any country that doesn't choose a non-propietary format is crazy.

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    1. Re:well duh by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It comes free with Windows.

      Windows doesn't come free with a computer. Or maybe the first hit does - can't remember anymore

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    2. Re:well duh by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Couldn't they just argue that since Open Office will open/edit/save as a Word document that your argument is invalid?

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    3. Re:well duh by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      anyone who uses a mac shouldn't freak out when suddenly something doesn't work on it. They should be used to that after about a day of using it. Same with someone who only runs Linux. You should expect some incompatibility.

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    4. Re:well duh by belmolis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but to run Windows in a VM you need a copy of Windows. If you buy a machine on which to run Windows, Microsoft only gets the relatively small amount they charge the OEMs. If you buy a copy of Windows retail to run in your VM, Microsoft makes more. So if your goal is to minimize the amount you give to Microsoft, buying a separate Windows machine is actually the better choice, isn't it?

    5. Re:well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Tried to open a .docx file in OpenOffice lately?

    6. Re:well duh by JoeCommodore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows doesn't come free with a computer. Or maybe the first hit does - can't remember anymore

      Hmm... Windows didn't come with the Mac I bought last year. And most likely my next computer will have Linux pre-loaded.
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  2. unnecessary by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Basically everyone under 40 in Scandinavia speaks good english. Better english than many Americans, in fact.

  3. Re:What about postscript? by netcrusher88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. PDFs are much, much smaller - as AC sibling said, about the size of PS after compression
    2. PDFs are relatively tamper-resistant
    3. PDFs are more widely understood
    4. PDFs are lighter to render

    I could go on about how they handle images and whatnot better too, but PS is a wonderful format when you still need to work with the document - I'm being completely serious here - but PDF is better as the final distribution method.

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  4. Forget Norway... what's Kenya doing? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just kidding, this is truly awesome. With any luck, this will improve the efficiency of document handling in the Norwegian government and help set off a domino effect. Unfortunately, I think it's likely that us poor Americans would be the last such domino to fall, given the unbelievable amount of data that would require conversion (much of it possibly by hand) and our government's overt support of big business (i.e. Microsoft).

    But the idea of thomas.loc.gov all being in PDF... wow...

  5. Re:Will Norway's stand, stand the test of time? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The applications are not snap and crispy but is that the fault of the standard or the application? With ODF, if someone creates an application that is blindly fast and light, everyone will get it. This avoids the vendor lock-in where you have issues opening up a Word '95 document today with Word '07.

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  6. Re:Way too Orwellian by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are not undermining content or freedom of speech... The format is only a container.
    They already mandate the use of standard containers or transmission media for other types of information, you can call the government on the telephone but you can't contact them using ham radio... You can write them a letter on a piece of paper, but you can't carve them a stone tablet.

    They have to standardise on one format for practical reasons, to support a wide range of formats is more expensive and more error prone. As a taxpayer, i don't want to be paying unnecessarily for the government to support multiple formats.

    They should standardise on published documented standards for several reasons.
    They provide the widest and lowest cost access for the population who have to deal with the government, programs for reading/writing standard formats such as PDF and ODF are available for a wide range of systems and at a wide range of pricing/support structures. Meaning, you can obtain such programs for free if you want, or if your needs/budget are different you can obtain software with varying levels of commercial support. Big vendors such as IBM, Sun and Novell provide commercial applications and support for ODF if that's what you need. Because there are multiple vendors, competition pushes the prices down and quality up.

    If they were to use a proprietary format, not only would they lock themselves in but also force third parties dealing with them to get themselves locked in too. By using a proprietary format the government are forced to purchase proprietary products at whatever price is set, and the end users are similarly forced. Because they need these particular programs (and anything else they might require) to deal with the government, people have no choice but to buy them. Because of this, the vendor can charge ridiculous amounts for retail copies while potentially giving the government big discounts to discourage them from migrating.

    As a taxpayer, i don't want the government to waste money dealing with multiple formats.
    As a taxpayer, i want them purchasing their software in a competitive marketplace so that they get the best deal.
    As an end user, i want the same ability to go for the best deal rather than being forced down a particular route.
    As a taxpayer, most important of all i want a government that does the best for ITS PEOPLE... I want a government that fights for the best deal, I want a government that buys from local suppliers whenever possible (paying more to a local supplier than to a foreign one is often a better deal, since a big chunk of that money will come back as tax), I want a government that doesn't force unnecessary expenses on it's people - especially expenses that cause money to leave the country.

    Any government that forces all of it's taxpayers to spend $450 on a foreign product is acting irresponsibly, that's a huge amount of money leaving the country.

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  7. M$ Hires Blackwater to Fix Norway's Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In other news: Microsoft has hired a sizeable force of Blackwater interrogation specialists to kidnap key individuals and influence Norways' government decision and policy makers to change their terroristic software policies "with force if necessary." "This kind of socialist-communist software can not be tolerated in a capitalist market economy," Microsoft's Blackwater press-liaison said. Bush commented that "Norway, you're next on my Freedom and Peace list," and also noted that "Norway has oil." And that "because of it, they should well afford expensive Microsoft software" and that this kind of terrorist path can not be allowed for the Norwegians.

  8. Re:The writing's on the wall by kabz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After Microsoft's brutal treatment of ISO, and the subsequent chaos due to 'voting' members no longer being interested, I'm sure local governments will resist a bit more strongly.

    These people may not be as sophisticated as a 'big city' computer company, but you don't have to be Donald Knuth to spot the kind of shadiness that took place in ISO.

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  9. Re:What about Non-Text Documents? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everybody is already using .DOC to store and share their documents, many applications support it, libraries exist for development and there are a lot of documents out there in the format today.
    Most of which don't work right in Microsoft office or OpenOffice.org.

    I might add that I have received documents in PDF for many years and never did have a problem rendering them.

    Why force IBM and Suns minor document standand on the world?
    Sorry, you're thinking of a different format. ODF was developed by OASIS based on OpenOffice.org XML format. Far more people were involved with the development of the format. Microsoft was even invited to participate, but they ignored the offer.

    The fact that somebody somewhere put a rubber stamp on ODF does nothing for the user
    The fact the document is properly usable actually does something for the user. But yes, putting a rubber stamp does nothing but puts a rubber stamp technically.

    who you're now asking to evaluate which application they use and potentially spend hours messing with thier own PCs to meet a "government mandated standard" that only really got put in place because some technicla purists wanted to run the world to their own agenda.
    There are ODF plugins for Microsoft Office, most of the other office suites already support ODF... What niche group that doesn't have ODF support are you referring to?
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