Slashdot Mirror


IRS Data Security Still a Concern

Lucas123 writes "Computerworld has a story about the possibility and the potential ramifications of an IRS data loss similar to the UK's recent mishap. According to one World Bank executive, it could have already happened, 'and we don't know about it.' While the IRS does offer data encryption to its workers, more than half of its 94,000 employees have permission to take taxpayer information to locations outside the IRS offices. In the 2007 filing season, roughly 128 million individual tax returns were filed. In addition to the basic personal information on those forms, an IRS breach could also jeopardize the banking information of the 46% of filers who requested direct deposit refunds. This is not the first time that IRS security has been called into question, and the Department of Treasury's progress in that arena is dubious. [PDF]"

16 of 54 comments (clear)

  1. Ron Paul... by GradiusCVK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems like the best way to solve this problem would be to remove any and all possible chance that the IRS might mishandle our data...

    1. Re:Ron Paul... by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Parent presumably means removing the IRS.

    2. Re:Ron Paul... by darjen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the income tax was also abolished, there wouldn't be a need for administration and inforcement.

    3. Re:Ron Paul... by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or we could just abolish money. That's just as practical and reduces the level of complexity in our society immensely.

      Really? I'm pretty sure you've never looked at a tax form before.

      The problem is that the IRS was created to solve a problem (social security) which will be a moot pint in 50 odd years unless something else is done.

      --
      "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  2. Why take data out of office? by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...more than half of its 94,000 employees have permission to take taxpayer information to locations outside the IRS offices.

    It seems to me that most of the data breaches from large corporations and government come from just this - employees taking data files out of the office and losing them. Why of why don't employers simply insist that data stays on the premises? Surely keeping data in a secure physical location is the first step to safeguarding it.

    1. Re:Why take data out of office? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my case I had to take things as far as two members of the board to stop an accountant taking the laptop with the only functioning copy of the application that handles most of the financial information on holiday to Bahrain of all places (at the start of the recent Iraq war). People really think these things are their own personal possessions and are convinced that they will not be stolen even if they leave it unattended on a beach in another country.

    2. Re:Why take data out of office? by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't doubt that it can be needed. IRS agents have to appear in court sometimes, either tax office courts that are not in their work locations or regular courts. The also have to contact some clients in the field, i.e. going to a business to look at its records. Often, tax law actually says a business must forward certain records automatically, but must retain other records on site for inspection. Plus the IRS is responsible for checking to see if retained copies match transmitted copies if there's doubt there.
            How else can the IRS deal with a fairly common scenario such as this? (They get a dozen or so cases of this each year). The IRS receives a W-2 that has a mistake in social security withholding or some similar thing. The taxpayer claims that's what the company he works for sent him, but it doesn't match the copy the company sent the IRS. Both copies in the IRS's hands are photocopies. Close examination reveals faint indications of whiteout on the originals used to prepare both copies, in different places! Now imagine this has come up with half a dozen employees of the same company.
            Dragging a whole business records department down to the IRS is doable, but the owners usually complain to their congressman, and have some clout. If they are really up to something, catching them by surprise is a lot better than giving them time to further fix the records. So, the IRS investigator travels with PDF copies of the documents in a laptop. The original paper is locked up, the better to maintain evidence accountability. The alternative is the agent travels with paper copies of the original copies. There's no way to encrypt those, of course. While most of these cases involve small business with only a handful of employees, it could also get pretty bulky. Sometimes, the agent might need multiple years tax records for a whole business branch of a medium sized corporation and all its employees, plus some records for the corporation's headquarters if that's separate.
            (Megacorps do a better job of covering their tracks than this scenario assumes, so an office visit to Disney or IBM or Walmart is unlikely at best, and if it ever happened, the IRS would have to split the work between dozens of agents, each presumably carrying only a small part of the records.
            You're right, doing this should always involve very good encryption. It shouldn't ever involve a million+ people's records either, which is what the Social Security Administration and the Veterans Administration losses have entailed each time. It could make sense for 50 or so people's records though.

      --
      Who is John Cabal?
  3. Traveling laptop your #5 problem ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my case I had to take things as far as two members of the board to stop an accountant taking the laptop with the only functioning copy of the application that handles most of the financial information on holiday

    I hope your board members recognized the four more important problems as well. Your top five problems:
    (1) Management allowed (2), (3), (4), and (5).
    (2) The accountant allowed (3) and (5).
    (3) You have one and only one system capable of running a critical application.
    (4) This critical application is not being run on enterprise grade hardware.
    (5) The accountant wanted to take the system on holiday.

    If your board only addressed the laptop/holiday add:
    (0) Board allowed (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) as appropriate.

  4. The devil is in the e-file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The biggest risk is not the IRS itself, but rather the e-file cabal of the IRS plus the companies that process and reformat your data for submission to the IRS. For instance, the TurboTax privacy statement and full text both promise certain steps, but there are gaping holes. Intuit keeps a copy of an e-filed return for at least three years, yet does not promise that the storage is encrypted. Data transmission from you to Intuit is encrypted (via 128-bit SSL), but some returns sent from Intuit to various agencies are NOT encrypted during transmission. Intuit claims that other companies providing services to Intuit may not use your data, but that does not prevent a breach if some employee does not follow the rules.

    And of course any subpoena, court order, or National Security Letter presented to Intuit has full access to all your data, including aggregation (database "join" on SSN, phone, address, etc.) with various data brokers who market their services aggressively to Department of Homeland Security, etc. With the IRS itself you have some protection; with the e-file cabal you nave none.

  5. What happens? by madsheep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forget the U.K.: What happens here if the IRS loses our data? Hmm, I don't know, not a whole lot? Just using the number of publicly reported data breaches and privacy information losses, I would just work on the assumption someone has this data already. It's not like there aren't dozens of websites where someone can pay $15 and get all this same information anyway. What's the best you can really hope for? That they give you a free year of credit monitoring? Maybe they'll fire someone or penalize them? Who knows.. I just say work under the assumption someone has this data already. What are you doing right now to protect yourself?
  6. Banking Data? - Already on Checks by kwpulliam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How exactly will 46% of filers banking information be comprimised? -

    From TFA "That translates to a lot of personal and banking details maintained by the IRS." - Those banking details are the same ones you hand out every time you write a check.

    The information included on the return for direct deposit is 'exactly' the same information printed on the front of a check in human readable format.

    If ANY of those households paid with a check to any retail establishment (where the clerk probably makes less than $10.00 an hour) then they have already released this information themselves.

    I understand data security and the problems of taking confidential data out of the workplace, but the banking details portion of this story needs to be taken with several grains of salt.

    Just because you have a banks routing number and a checking account number, this does not mean you can turn that into cash at an ATM.

  7. Ask any 5 IRS employees... by innerweb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A question and you are likely to get 10 different answers that may or may not be correct.

    How the IRS is allowed to operate the way it does is beyond me. How the tax laws are allowed to remain so confusing and frustrating is beyond me. But, obviously it is not cost effective to those that matter to fix it.

    If the tax laws were cleaned up, then maybe IRS employees might be able to handle many more individuals per specialist. If the tax laws were cleaned up, then maybe the IRS would be able to do all of its work at work. Just maybe.

    InnerWeb

    --
    Freud might say that Intelligent Design is religion's ID.
  8. Scare Reporting by Grech · · Score: 5, Informative

    Full Disclosure: I work for the IRS, and have a business need to take OUO or SBU data outside of the campus where I work from time to time.

    Glossary:

    • OUO: [O]fficial [U]se [O]nly.- This is a class of information
    • SBU: [S]ensitive [B]ut [U]nclassified This is the category into which all identifiable taxpayer data falls, and falls under the protection of IRC 6103 (with consequences defined in IRC 1203)

    The article here is pure scaremongering, though it does at least touch on some of the procedures the Service used to secure taxpayer data. The article makes the following points.

    1. The IRS has lots of sensitive data
    2. If individual people tasked with protecting sensitive information do stupid things, it will defeat any security measure.

    When a laptop is issued, it gets whole disk encryption that can't be turned off by the user. Similarly, when the IRS issues other portable devices, they get the same. The rule, of course, is that you don''t hook up anything the IRS doesn't own to anything it does, so personal thumb drives and home networks should not be an issue, and we make the point every time we issue hardware. Similarly, the article talks about unencrypted drives on Campus machinery, but if someone has penetrated the physical security of the Campus and actually swipes one of these hard drives, things have already gone horribly wrong.

    If the IRS lost a great whacking load of SBU data, of course it would be a disaster, this is nothing new, and is obvious. The article makes it seem like it's inevitable or in immediate danger of happening, and this just isn't true.

    --
    It may not be just, but it is fair, and that is more important.
  9. Re:Direct deposit by Clomer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work for a check printing company, and I can tell you that the most common type of check fraud is where someone orders checks with someone else's routing and account information. If you have a person's income tax statement complete with name, address, and bank account information, then you have all you need to order fraudulent checks. Heck, you could even have your name printed on them, but have the fraudulent account number info on the checks. You'd be surprised how easy it would be to cash such a check.

    Not that I would recommend it: we, at the check company, were taught certain red flags, things to watch for that may indicate a fraudulent order (and a good CSR won't let it on that they suspect you), and I won't go into those details here. And the penalties are pretty stiff if you are caught.

    --
    Intelligent responses welcome, flames will be met with marshmallows.
  10. Re:Direct deposit by TykeClone · · Score: 3, Informative

    The United States has a system called the Automated Clearing House (ACH) network that is used to move deposits and payments electronically between banks. If you have any ACH items hit your account, Regulation E kicks in giving you as a consumer certain rights about how soon you must report bad or fraudulent items before you are out of luck (60 days from the statement that the item appeared upon).

    An ACH transaction != financial identity. If I have that information about you and have access to the payment system, I can fraudulently send out ACH items and hope to collect enough to make it worthwhile before I'm shut down. This information, however, does not allow me to open a loan or credit account in your name. It sucks, but it's not identity theft.

    I'm sure that the UK does also have some sort of an electronic transaction system, but I've got no idea about what it is and how it works. You guys have a different style of banking than we do in the US. We have a few major, major players, but also a very large number of small "community banks" and credit unions. The ACH network in the United States was set up as a clearinghouse to basically send transactions to a large number of different banks. If I understand things correctly, the UK doesn't have the smaller financial institutions like we do, so the electronic transaction systems may work differently there (to say nothing of the regulations defining how they work!).

    --
    A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
  11. Re:Direct deposit by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can set up a fraudulent direct debit with just the account number and sort code. I had someone do that to me once - 86p to Carphone Warehouse. It did get refunded immediately when I complained.