Slashdot Mirror


Government Makes NIH Research Open Access

TaeKwonDood writes "Let's give some credit to the government when they do something right; in this case freeing $29 billion of taxpayer money in NIH research to actual taxpayers. Within one year after peer review, NIH-funded research has to be made freely available on PubMed. A Democratic Congress passed it and a Republican president signed it. This is a tremendous asset to researchers who don't want to have to duplicate research or pay fees for every journal out there. Those media companies getting rich selling journals, like the ACS, don't like it, but everyone else will."

8 of 162 comments (clear)

  1. Free isn't the big thing - PubMed is by LauraLolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    This requirement for open publication is very nice for researchers and the public, but it's not completely new for research articles.

    At The New England Journal of Medicine, subscribers have full access to all content, but folks who register - for free - have access to all research articles six months old and older. At Science, registered users have access to research articles at least twelve months old back to 1997. Science and NEJM are not the only journals or organizations with this option for registered users.

    The real boon will not be in access to research articles for free, but in the ability to seach in a single location, rather than looking in forty places for information. The other real boon will be in access to summaries and reviews that are partially sponsored by NIH. There are many review articles in journals that aren't even abstracted at PubMed right now.

  2. Re:No science open source or otherwise without fun by claus.wilke · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem is not so much the absolute amount as the lack of planning. In the 90ies, NIH funding was increased rapidly during a short period of time, and then the funding increase was stopped abruptly. During the increase, universities and medical schools reacted by increasing their faculties, who then suddenly couldn't get any funding anymore when the budget increase stopped. The problem will correct itself when older scientists will have to close their labs because of lack of funding, and younger scientists won't get tenure for the same reason. The question is whether that is the correct way to treat some of the brightest and hardest-working people in this country.

  3. Publishing costs professionals time. by bornwaysouth · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are peer reviewed papers. A paid editor has to find competent reviewers in the same specialised field, who are not known enemies of the writer, and get their consent to review. Reviewing is unpaid work, and all the reviewer gets is a preview of a paper in return for some professional risk. It takes some hours at a minimum to read, check out the oddities, and write back ones conclusions. There are two reviewers minimum. Conflicts have to be resolved, either by the writer(s) modifying the paper or the reviewers having something explained. Then an accepted paper has to be put into published format. Even web publishing costs.

    It cannot be a free process. It could be a taxpayer paid process. So I can re-interpret your objection to mean: "If we paid for the research, why cannot the publication also be paid for?"

    Perfectly reasonable. But you would need a policy on non-US research submitted for publication. Somewhat similar to entry into US universities. It's messy but feasible.

    1. Re:Publishing costs professionals time. by shura57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As you noticed, the reviewers are not paid a dime. They are neither paid for the original reviews, nor for re-reviewing revised manuscripts.

      The editors are compensated somewhat, but this is a symbolic amount, not even close to the analogous compensation in non-scientific magazines. Besides, the authors pay page charges, somewhat like $50/page nowadays. Does it cost $50 to typeset a page for the web if you start with an already electronic text? Hell, I used to do this work for $10/hour and I would do a lot more than 1 page/hour.

      But ultimately, nobody even says that it has to be charge-free. Charge what you want, enjoy subscription money for a year, then give it a free access. How long would it be fair to be collecting money on the same material?

  4. Open access by the_kanzure · · Score: 2, Informative
  5. Media Companies Getting Rich by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those media companies getting rich selling journals, like the ACS, don't like it, but everyone else will. That comment sure came out of the blue. The American Chemical Society is a nonprofit organization.

    Isn't the idea of being a nonprofit, you know, I mean, like, not getting rich?

    --
    They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
  6. Re:No science open source or otherwise without fun by Entropius · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cost of the Iraq war is projected (by the GAO) to be around $2 trillion. That comes out to be about $300bn/year, counting the 6 years of Bush's tenure in which we'll be involved in it.

    This is ten times the yearly expenditure on the NIH, yet there are more Americans who will develop (cancer | heart disease | diabetes/metabolic syndrome | clinical depression) than the entire population of Iraq.

    Who's not spending their money wisely?

    Yes, there is some dishonest stuff that goes on in the grant process, and the scientific community would appreciate any genuine help in stamping it out. But even if ten percent of NIH's funding is dumped in a pile and burned, NIH still produces more value per taxpayer dollar than many other things (read: the military, many forms of welfare, the military, farm subsidies, and -- right -- the military) that we spend our cash on.

  7. Re:No science open source or otherwise without fun by overeduc8ed · · Score: 4, Informative
    Many of us young scientists are leaving the US, largely due to this situation. I recently graduated from a biomedically-oriented PhD program at a major California university. Including myself, about a third of the students who completed their degrees in the past year have gone to Europe or Japan or Australia. We've all seen how hard it is to get funding for a postdoc in the US now. In fact, I submitted the exact same research proposal to NIH and to a European funding agency. The NIH grant reviewers appeared to be looking for an excuse not to fund me and rejected it outright -- they claimed I had no experience with the type of research I was proposing to do, despite the fact that it directly followed from my dissertation and my previous five years of work! Totally demoralized, imagine my surprise when I found out the following month that the European agency scored me in the top 5% of their (extremely competitive) application pool.

    What we might have developing here is a serious conflict-of-interest situation. NIH grants are generally reviewed by peer researchers within our scientific specialties. Since funds are now so limited, I wouldn't be surprised if the reviewers themselves are thinking, "Well, if I score this grant favorably, that would leave less funding for my lab!"

    But I digress. Star foreign scientists and students are no longer seeing a stint in the US as obligatory. Between the increasingly dire funding situation and immigration difficulties as well as rapidly increasing prestige of non-American research, they're opting to go elsewhere.

    I also worry for the future of the US. But if the US doesn't want us back, I'll be more than happy living somewhere the people appreciate and respect science, and provide the funding to back it up.