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Apple Stores Demonstrate That Retail Still Lives

WheezyJoe writes "Maybe OS X Leopard has its problems, but the New York Times seems to think Apple has designed the ideal techie retail store. A policy that encourages lingering, with dozens of fully functioning computers, iPods and iPhones for visitors to try, even for hours on end (one patron wrote a manuscript entirely at the store) has 'given some stores, especially those in urban neighborhoods, the feel of a community center ... Meanwhile, the Sony flagship store on West 56th Street, a few blocks from Apple's Fifth Avenue store, has the hush of a mausoleum. And being inside the long and narrow blue-toned Nokia store on 57th Street feels a bit like being inside an aquarium. The high-end Samsung Experience showroom, its nuevo tech music on full blast one recent morning, was nearly empty.'"

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  1. Apples and pears? by empaler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe OS X Leopard has its problems, but the New York Times seems to think Apple has designed the ideal techie retail store. ...
    Seriously, that is a lame run-on. If you can't think of a good one to put in the summary, don't.
    1. Re:Apples and pears? by pyite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only problem with the Apple store is the cultish atmosphere.

      This might previously have been a problem for Apple, but now it's anything but. Any sort of "cult" feel (I'd venture to say more like "club" feel) works to their advantage. People on the outside want to know what's so special. It doesn't hurt that the trickle down effect from a large portion of vocal Internet community (i.e. bloggers) is in full swing. Even though Macs are obviously in the general minority, there is a feel that they're more than that.

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  2. Who'da thunk it! by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A policy that encourages lingering, with dozens of fully functioning computers, iPods and iPhones for visitors to try, even for hours on end (one patron wrote a manuscript entirely at the store) has 'given some stores, especially those in urban neighborhoods, the feel of a community center

    Wait, you mean that a store that lets people freely do whatever they wish to do with little restrictions is more successful than a store in which you can just buy and leave? Who'da thunked it!

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  3. techie by rpillala · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I were going to buy a computer, the first thing I would do once I got it is open it up and see what I could improve down the road. This is probably why I've never been inside an Apple store. I think the NYT is using the word techie the same way they'd use the word "foodie." Foodies aren't cooks, don't necessarily know anything about cooking, but they do know what they like. And they'll tell you why.

    I think the appeal of Apple computers is different (but related) to the appeal of the computers themselves.

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  4. Re:You can smell the pomposity by Leftist+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to me, it's like walking into a very feminine beauty parlor, or a lingerie department as a man. It's very alien and uncomfortable

    That's not a bug, it's a feature. They know their target demographic.

  5. Re:Prices aren't ideal by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On one hand, every other /. post bitches and moans about Big Box Retail, then you go and post how a non big box store sells Wacom tablets for $40 more. The consumer needs to make up their collective mind. Pay less and deal with evil big box, or pay more for personalized service?

  6. On-site tech support is key. by isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple stores win because of the "Genius Bar."

    Yes, the crowds suck. Yes, the stores just scream "rip-off margins." Yes, "genius bar" is a stupid name.

    Still, the ability to schlep a system in and have the problem worked in most cases while-u-wait is what gets people into those stores. (Try that with a Dell or an HP sometime. Whoops! Hope you like shipping things. And for a real laugh, try bringing a sony product into a 'Sony Style' store for a support or repair issue.)

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    1. Re:On-site tech support is key. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is simple. Apple stores have semi competent people working the genius bar. Best buy has drooling idiots manning the Geek squad moron room.

      Get best buy to triple wages, and hire based on competence+skill and not certifications+willingness to be whores, and you will be able to do the same thing in the PC world.

      Problem is it's far easier to justify buying a new $499.99 PC instead of spending $350.00 on fixing the thing. while a $2100.00 MAC is worth having $350.00 of work done to it.

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  7. Re:Prices aren't ideal by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would I shop with either the big boxes or the service boutiques when I get better prices and service at Newegg, anyway?

    Its hard to decide from looking at newegg screenshots whether you want a glossy or matte screen on your next monitor, or whether the mouse you're eyeing is going to actually fit in your hand comfortably, or how that funky ergonomic keyboard feels, etc, etc, etc.

    Tech savvy people shop at the boutiques/big boxes but buy at the online discounter. If that proves successful enough, and the boutiques and big boxes disappear... where are you going to shop? Are the online discounters going to open up boutiques so you can see and feel the stuff before you buy it? And if so... will you pay the markup they're going to have to charge to cover it... or will you shop at the newegg boutique but buy at 'hole-in-the-wall-online-discounter'?

    Pure online works for products you've previously worked with, or where the specs alone are all that matter... like CPU's, or hard drives. But when choosing an HDTV, are you really going to be satisfied with buying it before SEEING it? When buying shoes are you going to be satisfied with buying it before trying it on? A good return policy helps... but you usually have to suck up the shipping costs, which can add up fast...

    I find people who heavily advocate online dealers like newegg are usually leeching shopping touch it/see it services from local boutiques. Being able to see and touch a product before buying it has value... and its an issue newegg and the like haven't really addressed. While shopping at boutiques and buying online isn't sustainable - if everyone did it, boutiques would disappear.

  8. Re:The Rainbow Connection by Eddi3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nonsense. Girls don't exist on the internet.

  9. Re:loiterers by analogueblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd let her use my computer any time she wants:)

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  10. Why they work by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Organized, predictable, uniform. This means things are easy to find in the store, services are reliable, and the shopping experience is consistent from store to store.
    2. Open, bright. Stores are well-lit, spacious, have an inviting entrance, and allow visitors to browse.
    3. Products sell themselves. Rather than relying on salespeople to pressure customers to purchase goods, the stores consistently showcase the products and let the customer try it in order to make the purchasing decision on their own terms. Salespeople are there to answer questions, not push visitors into buying.
    4. Availability of customer service. The customer-oriented services (Genius Bar, Studio, kids' area, demos) demonstrate that Apple is interested in making the shopping experience comfortable.

    Now, bear in mind, Apple is in it to make money. That's just the reality. But the company's philosophy is that money is made by creating the best possible product and the best possible consumer experience. They don't do these things out of the goodness of their hearts; rather, these things are the consequence of the particular business model they have chosen. That their motives are sometimes misunderstood is unfortunate, not because of how it reflects upon Apple, but rather, how it is symptomatic of the fact that we as a society of consumers have become so jaded by the way the rest of corporate America approaches profitability in a free-market system that we DO get confused when a company DOESN'T believe that the easiest way to make money is to rape us for every last penny they can lie, cheat, and steal from us.

    So, to be certain, the Apple Retail Stores are a classic example of retail design through careful analysis and re-evaluation of consumer behavior. They don't do these things because they make you feel good; they do them because, as a way of increasing profitability, it just plain WORKS. For instance, in-store cameras do not merely monitor visitors for security purposes--these are used to analyze traffic flow patterns, how long people spend in the various sections of the store, and so forth. This data is then used in research towards redesigning the stores or figuring out how marketing efforts should be distributed.

    Finally, regarding those who have missed the point.... Every time I've been to Fry's I feel like I want to scream. Customer service is HORRIBLE; the crowds are rude; dealing with exchanges/returns is downright insane; and most of all, the whole place reeks of cheapness. I feel like I can't trust whatever I buy there, and even if I were to, I don't feel like I've saved much if anything at all. I'd rather buy online. And the whole "techie" thing--let's be honest, Apple isn't interested in marketing to the uber-nerd DIY hacker, whose "can I take it apart and customize the crap out of it" mentality runs counter to Apple's "we want to make everything work together seamlessly, including the shopping experience" philosophy. You may take great pride in those hacker skills, and that's great, but the article isn't about you. It's about the consumer who would've gotten a cheap-ass Dell not because they wanted to spend as little as possible and put Ubuntu on it, but because they just don't know any better. After all, this is the age of consumer electronics.

  11. Re:You can smell the pomposity by Mikey-San · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is a company replacing a product that they shouldn't have let out the door in the first place news?

    Yes, why would you ever expect someone to fix their mistake? The nerve of these people, setting the customer right after something went wrong! They're going out of business in no time if they keep up this level of customer satisfaction.

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