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Florida Election Ballots to be Printed On-Demand

davidwr writes "The St. Petersburg, FL, Times reports that Florida is going back to paper ballots, but with a twist. They are printing the ballots on-demand, right there at the polling booth. This isn't machine-assisted voting where a touch-screen fills in your printed ballot for you. It's just a way to save printing costs and reduce paper waste. 'Without ballot on demand, poll workers at 13 early Hillsborough voting sites would need to stockpile stacks of every possible ballot type. With ballot on demand, poll workers can print out a person's distinct ballot type when he or she arrives to vote.'"

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  1. ink by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These machines will jam or run out of ink with no geeks around to fix it.

    Welcome to good ideas which don't stand up to the reality of 5-6 old people monitoring a station.

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  2. Re:Threat model by lachlan76 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Call in a mathematician and get them to figure out how many ballots should be needed to keep costs to a minimum, assuming you leave open the option of printing more ballots, in case the 5/1/0.01% probability comes back to bite you---whether printing it off with a printer on-site, or keeping a large-scale printer on standby in the event that it looks like you are to run out.

    The maths isn't exactly difficult---with sufficient historical data, one learns all that's necessary in high school, at least down my way.

    That said, we have compulsory voting down our way (Australia), so it's not really an issue that comes up. For that matter, does the risk of printing ~600 sheets of paper too many matter that much? It shouldn't be a problem.

  3. Re:Money-making opportunity by LaughingCoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Make these ballot printers with a special, proprietary ink cartridge. ... This would help prevent counterfeit ballots.
    A better way than special ink would be to have the blank ballots watermarked.
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  4. Re:What's wrong with paper by oliderid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "What is wrong with paper in the first place?"

    Here in Belgium we have electronic vote for more than ten years. I've seen recently a study comparing paper and electronic machine costs.

    I don't remember the figures precisly but it was something like:

    The cost per vote on paper 2 US$
    The cost per electronic vote 5 US$

    I always been extremely suspicious about these electronic voting machine. Especially those running Windows (Desktop PC) with accessible serial ports like those we have here.

    The good news is that the government plans to get rid of it (at least for a part of the country) and go back to the much safer (and cheaper) paper.

  5. Cryptographic verification by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't get. We have had, in theory, the protocols to make cryptographically secure verifiable & anonymous e-voting for years now, and yet it hasn't been implemented.

    A bunch of hungover CS undergrads with 24 hours till their deadline, would come up with a better e-voting implementation than the hopelessly naive excuses spewed up by diebold et al.

    1. Re:Cryptographic verification by cfortin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, no we don't.

      Its the verifiable & anonymous that's hard. Perhaps you have a point if you assume that the machines are working as intended, the programs written correctly, and the code running on the machines is the same that was certified.

      Maintaining formal control over evoting machines, given the number of district and varying forms uses, can't help but cost orders of magnitude more than just using paper votes with an electronic counter, like they do here in RI.

      Diabold shows what happens whenever cost-to-impliment-correctly is significantly more than cost-to-look-like-you-satisfied-the-contract.