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Microsoft Paid Novell $356 Million in '07

Anonymous writes "At the end of this piece at Channelweb.com, it's reported that Microsoft paid Novell $355.6 million last year as part of their 'interoperability' deal. It's no small wonder, then, that Novell executives are saying the deal has been a huge success so far."

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  1. Customers? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'd be interesting to see if the money they got from their customers in '07 equals or exceeds that number.

    If it doesn't, I'd think they have a somewhat skewed and short-sighted definition of success. Me, I'd call it getting paid off.

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    rediculous.
  2. Don't trust them by nighty5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It illustrates that Novell can no longer be trusted to push Linux technologies beyond that which is offered by Microsoft.

    1. Re:Don't trust them by Idiot+with+a+gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally, I didn't trust them the moment they made the deal with Microsoft. It showed more of an interest towards their own pocket books than the software or their users. Unlike Red Hat, which promised to protect their customers, and change any infringing code, and Canonical, which I believe offered the same for *buntu users.

    2. Re:Don't trust them by DMoylan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Don't trust them

      i actually pity them. been partners of any sort with ms just seems to be the kiss of death.

    3. Re:Don't trust them by slyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They've done a lot of the work towards the FOSS drivers for the ATI cards, including recently releasing V1.10 of the RadeonHD adding support for the 3850 and 3870, as well as release 10.3 of OpenSuse, and (AFAIK) have continued business as usual since the MSFT agreement.

      Novell at the moment may not be the most faithful to the GNU ideals at the moment, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that Novell "can no longer be trusted".

  3. Re:Two ways to control corporations by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in a Free Society the government is supposed to be for The People. and it should act as an arbiter of fairness in respect to the above, insuring that access to the market is available to entrepreneurs, and that monopolies do not form, either in fact or by collusion

    Unfortunately, it's the government itself, through patents and copyrights, which is acting to perpetuate the existing monopolies.


    A fair society shouldn't have the current intellectual property laws. Patents shouldn't be given to processes and methods, only to specific mechanisms. Copyrights shouldn't be given to trade secrets, only to open publications. No copyrights for executable code, unless the source code is also provided. No coprights for copy-protected material, because if you use DRM you don't need the protection of the law.


  4. Was blackmail involved? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many of us suspect that Microsoft is behind SCO. Could it be that Novell somehow has Microsoft over a barrel?

    It may be that Novell hasn't sold its soul at all. It is really hard to see that Microsoft got any value for its money.

  5. This is looking like what happened to Corel by 1mck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Years ago Corel was developing WordPerfect for Linux, and the along come Microsoft, and gave them a huge sum of cash to cease all development of WP for Linux, and now look at where they are now...Novell is going to suddenly realize years down the road that they really did sell out, and there's no going back, and it's obvious that the owners of the company don't give 2 shits, so now Microsoft will find some way to weasel Linux from the world. Yay for interoperability...whatever the hell that means, and what is involved!

  6. Re:What do the SUSE people think of this? by malkavian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I think it's a whole non-issue at the moment, until the waters are less muddy, and only time will tell that.
    For interoperability, Novell SLES is pretty pleasant. I work for the NHS in the UK, and moving hospitals away from being almost pure Windows is not an easy thing. SLES fills a lot of niches that Windows currently fills (file server, database platform et.), for a fraction of the cost. One of the things I'm working on is to make greater use of SLES. And if you point to Red Hat, and say "Well, they do the same product, except they're more idealistic", Red Hat don't have a current deal with the NHS (where Novell do, and provide fantastic pricing).
    Couple that with eDirectory, Identity Manager etc. and you've got a lovely heterogenous infrastructure to play with.
    I like Novell. Yes, they took money from the Beast. However, the Beast is currently being watched very carefully, and has a lot of other (probably unexpected) battles to fight.
    I tend to run Ubuntu and Debian for home use (and quick build servers/firewalls). But in business, you need to bring a lot of other factors in. And for something the size of the NHS, alas, you can't always choose the idealistic route. Pragmatism and practicality are large factors.
    As long as SLES keeps on being a great product, performing well, and being a really low cost product (for a commercially supported enterprise grade OS), I'll keep on using it.

  7. game over? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What do we even know anymore? How deep does MS go in the USA?

    Does Microsoft's Monopoly Power Extend to Government and Media?

  8. Re:what did Novell give in return? by jafoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't help but think of the claims by Novell's Miguel de Icaza that "OOXML is a superb standard" and Novell's further support for OOXML. (For example, they joined the national standardization committee in Switzerland and probably also other countries and voted in favor of OOXML without having previously participated in the technical discussion of the specification's serious shortcomings.)

  9. Re:NASDAQ:NOVL Total Revenue by balloonhead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What proportion of Mozilla's income is from Google via Firefox searchbar?

    If it is more than a third,is this also suspicious?

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  10. Re:Two ways to control corporations by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "patents and copyrights are what entice entrepreneurs to make improvements"

    So, let me tell you about this opensource thing...

    "our protection of intellectual property is one of the elements that has made us the prosperous society that we are"

    Our 'protection' of intellectual 'property' has kept us as far less prosperous society than we could have been.

    Competition is what drives innovation and the evolution of technology. Handing out intellectual monopolies slows that innovation and evolution. Protecting someone from competition makes them slow and inefficient; to realize exactly how inefficient you just need to look at the former Soviet state-run businesses, or other state-protected monopolies in the west.

    Just imagine the world we'd be living in today, had technology been allowed to develop competetively. Imagine the medicines we'd have if 'protected' pharmacorps couldnt spend 80% of their revenue on administration and marketing. Imagine the operating systems we'd have if most of the resources spent on them didnt get tied up in a single company that cant even produce a product better than their last one after six years (nevermind being outevolved by a rag-tag bunch of companies and individuals working in a _competetive segment_ with _unprotected_ software).

    Patents and copyrights are a blight upon the economy and upon innovation.

  11. Here's what Microsoft bought .... by Jerry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A "confession" by Ron Hovsepian that "Linux" contains Microsoft IP, even though Microsoft has yet to prove any infringements exist.

    How? By paying Microsoft a ROYALTY for each copy of SLES that it sells Novell is making an implied statement that its distro contains MS IP.

    Ballmer called the payments "an IP bridge". He could have said the payments were an admission of guilt.

    Microsoft has a problem though. They've been claiming that Linux violates their IPs for several years now. The law requires that they inform infringers of the exact infringements so that damages can be mitigated. Microsoft has not done that.

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  12. Re:what did Novell give in return? by shentino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have a stubborn boss who castigates "anything but windows" the same way they'd treat a hostile alien, you may very well be jeopardizing your job, or career, if you even suggest something as downtime-inducing as installing a different OS.

    Especially since it would involve making unauthorized modifications to your boss's or your company's property.