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Copyright Cutback Proposed As RIAA Solution

An anonymous reader writes "InfoWeek blogger Alex Wolfe proposes a novel solution to the ongoing spate of RIAA lawsuits over alleged music copying. He suggests legislation which cuts back corporate copyrights from 120 years to 5 years. 'We should do what we do to children who misbehave,' he writes. 'Take away their privileges.' Wolfe says this is regardless of the misunderstanding surrounding the latest case, which apparently isn't about ripping CDs to one's own computer. As to those who say copyrights are a right: "That's simply a misunderstanding of their purpose. Copyrights, like patents, weren't implemented to protect their owners in perpetuity. They are part of a dance which attempts to balance off societal benefits against incentives for writers and inventors. You want to incentivize people to push the state of the creative and technical arts, but you don't want give those folks such overbearing protections that future advances by other innovators are stifled." What do you think; is it time to cut off the record industry?"

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  1. Ideas don't have to be free... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    120 years is INSANE.

    Everything should go into the public domain after a period long enough to have allowed the creator to profit under most circumstances.
    Copyright should also last at least long enough that it discourages companies from just waiting it out.

    I figure 10-15 years for most things.

    1. Re:Ideas don't have to be free... by Hierarch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even without the increasing fees, it would be an invaluable change. Remember, we aren't just dealing with the *AA and Disney, we also have the problem of abandoned works. Tons of IP are sitting around with no known owner. We can't touch a single one of them, because if someone does, and starts to make money, 30 different people or corporations will all swoop in claiming ownership through some weird line of descent from the original (bankrupt) owner.

      No, if nobody claims to own the work, it should go into the public domain. Even a $5 filing fee would be enough for this.

      ISTR an article where Disney's mouthpiece admitted that they'd heard about this concept and weren't entirely opposed to it... Anybody remember? Was this one of Lessig's brainchildren?

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    2. Re:Ideas don't have to be free... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some company exec will just hold the copyright personally

      That's the heart of the problem. Congress is authorized only to secure copyrights to creators ("Authors and Inventors") - not to employers, assignees, or heirs.

      Recognizing that any copyright claim by someone who didn't create the work is bogus would go a long way to fixing the problem. (And would align copyright law with the Constitution as a bonus.)

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    3. Re:Ideas don't have to be free... by coolGuyZak · · Score: 5, Interesting
      My idea is slightly more complex, but (IMHO) more reasonable logistically:
      1. Everything is automatically copyrighted for X years (my choice for X would be between 10 and 20 years).
      2. Copyright can be extended to Y years (say, 2X or 3X years) by registering the copyright with the copyright office. Registration requires the full text of any copyrighted work to be submitted with the application. Registration may incur a reasonable filing fee.
      3. Registering a copyright grants government institutions the following mandatory licenses to the work:
        • All government institutions (e.g. libraries, schools, public parks) may stock the complete text, royalty free.
        • The government may make an indefinite number of copies for archival and preservation.
        • If the entity that holds a registered copyright ceases distribution of the work, the government may (at its option) distribute the work for the price of reproduction, plus a reasonable and compulsory license fee (paid to the copyright owner).
        • Any trademarks, patents, or other intellectual property rights required to distribute the work are licensed to the government. The terms of this license should be narrow--only those required to enable distribution under the terms previously enumerated.
      4. Additional extension of copyright is not possible. Retroactive extension is explicitly denied.
      5. After the copyright expires, the work passes into the public domain.
      6. Refinements of an existing work may enable additional property rights. However, refinements are treated as derivative of but separate from the original work. Creating a derivative or refined work does not extend the rights or terms granted to previous work.
  2. What about the artists? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone know how this would affect the artists? I mean, I know that most of them make their money off of merch and concerts anyway - but I'm just trying to understand who this would really end up hurting. Obviously older bands that still have reasonably good record sales (Led Zeppelin) aren't going on a lot of tours. I'm all for giving RIAA a good gut punch, I just don't want to screw over the musicians I love in the process. I'm no IP / copyright lawyer so I'm looking for some insight here!

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  3. Re:Corporate Copyrights - Not Just Entertainment by Xiaran · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes but software like that is generally business software that is held internally by some business and hence not copied at all(commercial in confidence protect it etc). The only bits of the industry that would have to worry would be things like games and other shrink wrapped software. Personally Id feel fine is say MS office feel out of copyright every five years as I dont think it would really affect anyone... MS would simply release a new version(Is office 95 really worth anything to anyone these days)?

    Games could be a problem as they seem to like to release platinum editions of older games and I honest have no idea how much that brings in for the games industry... its probably a nice little earner they wouldnt like to lose. But on the other hand it could solve the problem of abandonware... games Id still like to play but cant because I cant physically purchase it anywhere.

    For other sectors like niche vertical market sector software developers(Ive worked in such and industry) they are generally doing pretty bespoke stuff and being used as a service provider to their clients.

    Id be honestly interested if anyone has any examples of really bad things happening in any sector of the software development world. Settop boxes for sat and cable TV perhaps? If you argue that the software on the sim code falls out of copyright every five years then whats to stop you duping a bunch for your friends.

  4. Re:Flaming to get hits. by Sancho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a pretty good reason to let individuals have longer copyrights--they're less able to make money quickly from their work. Any given production studio probably makes 95% of their profits from a film within the first 5 years of its release (theatrical runs, initial DVD release, special edition DVD release.) An individual who is trying to market it without the help of a corporation will likely need to rely heavily on word-of-mouth advertising, which will be slower than a nationwide advertising campaign.

    I'd be pretty happy with 5 years for corporations, 10 years for individuals, each with the option to renew for one more term. If you can't recoup your investment within this time frame, you don't need to be in this business.

    Of course, I'd also like to see perpetual copyrights for free-as-in-speech works, but that's probably too much to ask.

  5. The Mickey Mouse Rule by russbutton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's never going to happen because of the "Mickey Mouse" rule. Music copyright in this country goes back to 1925 because the Disney corporation has copyright to Mickey Mouse, who dates back to 1925. If you were to limit copyright to anything any of us considers reasonable, Disney would lose ownership of Mickey Mouse, which would be huge for them. They've been paying Congress for decades to keep moving the copyright window so they could continue to hold Mickey Mouse. We have the best government that money can buy and Disney has been keeping up on their payments.

    Killing off copyright, or at least reducing it to anything less than 80 years isn't going to happen anytime soon.

  6. Re:Short periods = more draconian RIAA by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    copyright is an absolute monopoly.. that's the point. At 5-10 years it makes sense to let a company aggressively protect its profit because it's SHORT. Does anybody really care about sharing Beatles on P2P as half the band is DEAD 50 years later? But in legal terms a pre-release leak and sharing 50 year-old songs on P2P is the same thing! That's why nobody respects it. Make the law reasonable and more people will respect it.. strange but it might work.

  7. Re:Flaming to get hits. by aztektum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If an individual can't recoup their investment within 5 years, especially with the Internet, they should probably apply at McDonald's. Just because you're a starving artist doesn't mean you should get a guaranteed advantage. That's your choice.

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