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Tweaking The Math Behind Political Representation

mlimber writes "Nature magazine's news section has an interesting story about how the seats in the US House of Representatives should be divided up. The problem is that the population isn't evenly divided by the number of seats in the House (435). So how should one allocate the fractional parts? The current method tends to favor big states, while a recent proposal by a mathematician is for what he calls a 'minimally unfair' allotment. He is predicting 'one person, one vote' challenges on this topic in the near future."

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  1. They've finally found it! by wpegden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once they get this little pesky problem fixed, our government will be awesome!

    1. Re:They've finally found it! by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Yes, its just that one thing" - Dogbert

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  2. Correction by sharp-bang · · Score: 4, Informative

    The current method doesn't favor big states. FTA, "the current method has an inherent bias towards giving small states a boost up".

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  3. Fixing the wrong problem by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article starts by noting that California dominates the House of Representatives, but this doesn't really change that fact. Tweaking a seat up or down does change things a bit, especially where the electoral college is concerned, but the real problem is gerrymandering. Seats end up being permanently allocated to one party or another, with the incumbent enjoying an immense advantage.

    If you want to fix a problem, come up with a better algorithm for drawing district boundaries. Right now the party in charge DOES use an algorithm, one designed to create the pessimal boundaries that ensure its maximum advantage.

    Of course, there are many such algorithms, and no matter how fair they are the legislature would vote to choose whichever one favors them best.

  4. Solving the wrong problem by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Of all the problems in the US electoral system, this is undoubtably the least important.

    A vastly more critical glitch is that it is possible to draw congressional boundaries in such a way as to increase the influence of demographics tending toward electing one party and decrease the influence of the demographics tending toward the other, and the people who have the power to redraw districts barely even bother to hide the fact that they're doing so anymore. Solving that glitch with a means to draw boundaries that is guaranteed to be impartial, so that the elected representatives actually did reflect the preferences of the people electing them-- now that would be a serious improvement to democracy.

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    1. Re:Solving the wrong problem by jsprat · · Score: 4, Informative

      (...) they would by definition be reflecting the people who voted for them.

      Not necessarily. Gerrymandering is the art of changing the boundaries to gain an advantage. In a simple way, this image shows an even distribution redivided to give one party the advantage.
    2. Re:Solving the wrong problem by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter if Gerrymandering has taken place or not. If there are enough votes to elect someone then they are reflective of their voting populous.

      Not quite. Consider the possibility of a state that is 55% Republican, 45% Democrat, with 20 Representatives. Ideally, any districting should elect about 11 Republicans and 9 Democrats.

      It is a relatively trivial exercise, however, to divide the districts up so that 20 Republicans and 0 Democrats are elected.

      And it's not even especially hard to divide them up so that 3 Republicans and 17 Democrats are elected.

      While it is true that each of those districts is reflective of the voting population, alas, it's not necessarily true that the results at the State level are reflective of their voting populations.

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  5. One person, One vote only IN your state by micahfk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, what the article fails to mention is that your vote is only worth so much depending on what state you live in. Remember, in the US, we elect through the electoral college which generally means (technically, the electors do not have to vote by what the people vote with an exception of a few states) your vote is counted within the state and not within the nation. So, how much is your vote worth? At the extreme ends, Wyoming, which has the least number of people for a state gets 3 electoral votes for about 500,000 people (0.0006%), whereas California has 55 for 38 million people (0.00001%).

    Therefore, for every 1 vote for a Republican in Wyoming, 60 votes for a Democrat in California are needed to cancel each other out. And this mathematician wants to make it more "fair" by giving more votes to smaller states?

  6. Third House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think we should add a third house, composed of a random sample of people across the entire country. The term is three months, and the only way to come back to the seat is to be (miraculously) drawn again. The job would be to listen to time-limited debates (without involving themselves in the debate), and brainstorming a set of questions they would like answered for the second round of the debate.

    At the end, every law needs a majority vote in this new house in order to pass. Constitutional amendments require a 2/3rds or 3/4ths vote in order to pass.

    If you can't convince a random sample (including people of all national origins, races, religions, sexual orientations, etc.) that a law is a good idea, it simply doesn't pass. The limited term and not being directly involved in the debate (only listening and then X rounds of questions) means that politics and political shenanigans are reduced to a minimum.

    We also give this house the ability to override Presidental veto and Presdiential pardon/commutation. If 2/3rds of this house (alone) agrees that the President should not have vetoed a law or pardoned someone, then the President's action is null and void (i.e.: law passes, or person still goes to jail for obstruction of justice)

    What do you think?

  7. Re:I kind of like the original Constitutional idea by thrillseeker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd be willing to bet that a house of representatives with 10,000 people would never even manage to fund the government, let alone get any other business done.

    Perfect!

  8. Re:I kind of like the original Constitutional idea by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is this modded funny? It is actually insightful.

    What is the largest number a person can adequately represent? I actually believe that 30K might be on the high side of that estimation. Right now, a Representative in the House isn't beholden to anyone other than the special interest groups. The Special Interest Groups only need to focus on 435 people currently. If they had to spread their $ around to more people, the amount they could offer each would be much less and more easily overcome by a small band of normal constituents.

    I actuall see no problem with more representation, currently we're getting less and less. You tell me, do you feel adequately represented by anyone, let alone by your congress critter?

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  9. 17th amendment by ChristTrekker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the largest number a person can adequately represent? I actually believe that 30K might be on the high side of that estimation.

    Very insightful! I've been saying this for a long time now. When the 17th Amendment was ratified, populists thought that direct election of US Senators would be a great move for democracy! Instead, they shot themselves in the foot. Do you really think your Senator cares a fig about your opinion? You're one among millions. Back when s/he was accountable to the state's legislature though, you can be darn sure he paid attention to their few dozen opinions. Losing the support of any one legislator was significant.

    Making Senators into super-Representatives was just silly. The House has a 2-year term because the electorate is fickle. Senators have a 6-year term because (in theory) your legislators are wise enough to make more thoughtful decisions. If we trust them enough to make laws for the state, can't we trust them enough to select Senators? But no, now we are stuck with our fickle decisions for 6 whole years - and 6 years after they make dumb decisions they can be sure we've forgotten about them, so they are even less accountable than ever!

    Increase the House membership to 1000, and repeal the 17th Amendment. Those are the two best things we could do to "fix" the Congress in a relatively easy manner.