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12 Florida Schools Pass Anti-Evolution Resolutions

Several sources are reporting that twelve school districts in Florida have passed resolutions against the teaching of evolution. Out of all the arguments, however, one administrator seems to have gotten it right: "Then, the final speaker, Lisa Dizengoff, director of science curriculum at Pembroke Pines Charter School's east campus, angrily reminded the crowd that after all the carping over evolution, no one had gotten around to addressing the state's lackadaisical, last-century approach to science education. 'All I heard was this argument about evolution,' she said, disgusted that so many other problems had been preempted by a single controversy. 'The kids lost out again.''"

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  1. Re:Opposed to facts by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Thank you. That is the part that always gets ignored. Theories can only attempt to explain something that already exists. They're not making something up. To wit:


    Gravity is a fact. The theory(s) that explain it and its effects are not facts.

    Here are two links which cover this topic:

    Link 1

    Link 2

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  2. Re:Listen, and understand! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All that needs to be done at this point is to start collecting quotes from those that are bringing in this policy. They're religious nuts, and they'll constantly reveal that. That's what wiped them out in Dover (well, that and that blowhard Behe who made a fool of himself during the trial). These religious fanatics can't help it, it's the way their brain is designed.

    So when it goes to court, the ACLU lawyers can throw down a ton of quotes showing that the justification for this move was religious, the First Amendment rights of the children were violated, and the books are shut. Of course, it'll screw the kids over because all that money wasted by religious fanatics trying to force a public school system into becoming an organ of religious indoctrination.

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  3. Re:So....... by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they can't teach evolution, then they shouldn't be able to teach about gravity or anything else. Almost everything in science that is relatively established (beyond hypothesis) is a theory. So why have science classes at all? And then these same religious idiots are the ones who will bash the education system for not staying competitive with the rest of the world. How can you stay competitive when you are preventing your children from receiving a valid, proper, progressive education with such important things as ... you know... math and science?

  4. Re:This is not necessarily a bad thing. by abigor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Evolution isn't theoretical science. It is the underpinning of all of modern biology. That's why it's important.

  5. Not as bad as it seems... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The comment that struck me is one board member stating that they were "Opposed to teaching Evolution as a fact."

    ....but I bet, never the less that he BELIEVES in it as a fact. Lawrence Lessig (of Physics of Star Trek fame) gave an excellent talk at a Canadian physics conference I was at last year where he explained that scientists should not take too much to heart all these medieval occurances since deap down people really did believe in evolution.

    His example was the bird flu scare. Absolutely nobody went around say: "don't worry it cannot possible evolve into something deadly to us, it was designed for birds and will stay that way". So when push comes to shove these people really do believe in science and evolution. So in the end they are really nothing more than hypocrits which, since most of them are politicians, we already knew anyway.

  6. Read Some Voltaire by catchblue22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More of us should read Voltaire's writings. He wrote a great deal about fanaticism and religion (he was not an atheist). Some quotes:

    One of my favorites:

    Those who can make people believe absurdities can make them commit atrocities.

    From Voltaire's Philosophical Dictionary:

    Fanaticism is to superstition what delirium is to fever, and what fury is to anger. The man who has ecstasies and visions, who takes dream for realities, and his imaginings for prophecies, is an enthusiast. The man who backs his madness with murder is a fanatic.

    Believing that the Earth is 10000 years old in the face of hard scientific evidence is like taking dreams for reality.

    Once fanaticism has cankered a brain, the disease is almost incurable...There is no other remedy for this epidemic illness than the spirit of free thought, which, spreading little by little, finally softens men's customs, and prevents the renewal of the disease. For as soon as this evil makes any progress we must flee and wait for the air to become pure again. Laws and religion do not suffice against the pest of the soul.

    Methinks in these days of growing fanaticism, both religious and ideological, we would do well to learn from what Voltaire wrote.

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  7. Re:Did a human say it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Older humans work very hard on teaching very young humans about religion, to make sure they believe in it when they grow older and continue the cycle.

    I think that's dead wrong.

    It's actually pretty tough for our child sometimes, who we brought up to be caring and considerate of the feelings of others without the fear of a trip to hell if she isn't, when her friends invite her to go to Church with them. She goes along sometimes but afterwards, if there's a study group, she has to excuse herself because she doesn't know what to say or do. What to think even. She tells us that she pretends to pray so they other kids don't think she's a freak, but she really has no clue who she's meant to be praying to.

    At least she won't go to hell for doing so, because there is no such thing of course.

  8. Taylor County, Florida School Board by whitehatlurker · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Excerpt from the minutes of the 20th Nov., 2007 meeting of the Taylor County school board:

    Upon motion by Danny Lundy, seconded by Darrell Whiddon the Board adopted/approved the: 1.) Resolution regarding the new Sunshine State Standards for Science.
    The adoped resolution is as follows:
    Whereas, the Florida Department of Education has drafted and is now proposing new Sunshine State Standards for Science, the Taylor County School Board opposes the implementation of the new standards as currently presented.
    Whereas, the new Sunshine State Standards for Science no longer present evolution as theory but as "the fundamental concept underlying all of biology and is supported in multiple forms of scientific evidence," we are requesting that the State Board of Education direct the Florida Department of Education to revise/edit the new Sunshine State Standards for Science so that evolution is presented as one of several theories as to how the universe was formed.
    Whereas, the Taylor County School Board recognizes the importance of providing a thorough and comprehensive Science education to all the students in Taylor County and to all students in the state of Florida, it recognizes as even more important the need to present these standards through a fair and balanced approach, an approach that does not unfairly exclude other theories as to the creation of the universe.
    NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Taylor County School Board of Taylor County, Perry, Florida, that the Board urges the State Board of Education to direct the Florida Department of Education to revise the new Sunshine State Standards for Science such that evolution is not presented as fact, but as one of several theories. The Board Members and Superintendent Howard discussed the upcoming meetings on this issue. Superintendent Howard stated that he plans on attending one of the meetings in the near future. However, there is discrepancy as to when and where the meetings are to take place.

    Now if the state is trying to force these people to accept evolution as an explanation of the origin of the universe, I'd be miffed about it as well. On the other hand, if they came up with this bit all by themselves, I think that they really do require someone to explain what evolution really is. I'd feel sorry for the good people of this county, if they hadn't been the ones electing the board in the first place.

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  9. Don't Hire Any Florida Graduates by reallocate · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Employers who expect their employees to be conversant with modern science and the scientific method should send letters to these school districts decalring they won't hire anyone who is a product of their schools.

    Yes, that's unfair to some students, but these willful Luddites need to be taught a lesson.

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