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Vinyl Gets Its Groove Back

theodp writes "Time reports that vinyl records are suddenly cool again. Vinyl has a warmer, more nuanced sound than CDs or MP3s; records feature large album covers with imaginative graphics, pullout photos, and liner notes. 'Bad sound on an iPod has had an impact on a lot of people going back to vinyl,' says 15-year-old David MacRunnel, who owns more than 1,000 records."

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  1. "Suddenly"? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've only been hearing this since about the day after the first CD player came out.

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    1. Re:"Suddenly"? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there really was a need for better audio, we'd have Blu-Rays filled with 192KHz/24bit/8ch LPCM that vinyl could not possibly begin to compete with. The audiophiles that think vinyl really is better is on crack, but I guess that's redundant once I said audiophile. I think most people like vinyl because it sounds like vinyl with distortion, hiss, cracks and pops, it's what gives it personality and charm.

      Digital is utterly neutral, cold and perfect every time. I'm not sure exactly why, but people seem to prefer live musicians over a CD at any form of gathering even though it'll almost certainly be less perfect than the CD. I'm not talking about concerts which are a social event in itself but all sorts of celebrations and parties that would be just the same without the band. I think it's something of the same, they don't want a perfect rendering of the music, they want a personal one. There's something to a record that you know every nook and scratch on. You just can't that kind of attachment to a CD.

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  2. Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... That a guy who owns 1000 records justified his stupendous outlay by making blanket statements that compressed digital audio sounds bad.

    And then the audiophile jargon of "nuanced" etc etc... What a load of crap.

    1. Re:Not surprising... by croddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Certainly, some very well-made pressings can sound outstanding, even better than digital in a few cases. But the poorer signal-to-noise ratio, essentially unavoidable surface wear, and the distortion introduced by the medium, on balance, make digital a better choice when the highest quality audio is needed. One thing records do have going for them is that they tend to be mastered, counterintuitively, with a wider dynamic range than contemporary CDs. Of course, this is a product of human decisions, not the media, and the optimal solution to this is simply to abandon the current practice of excessive compression and limiting on CDs, as they offer a greater potential for dynamic range than records.

  3. This is true... to an extent by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with claims like this is that they're not falsifiable in any meaningful way. Of course it can be argued that vinyl is "warmer" and more "nuanced" - all depending on your definition of "warm" and "nuanced". What is true is that when accurate reproduction of the source sound is the goal, digital is used nearly exclusively.

    This is entirely separate, of course, from the issue of the quality of compressed sound files, such as those most commonly found on iPods. Depending on the algorithm and the amount of the compression used, it can certainly have a dramatic influence on the sound quality - in some cases making it clearly lower quality than records.
  4. One Cannot Identify With An Infinite Supply by Effugas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone has a thousand albums on MP3, whatever. It doesn't say anything about them. They spent a night raiding P2P. Big deal.

    If someone has a thousand albums on Vinyl, it's a different story. You think something of him. Maybe good, maybe bad, but you can expect him to rather deeply identify himself by his music. Each record was individually chosen, to the exclusion of others. Time was invested, thought was expressed, identity is reflected.

    And that, of course, is what not just Vinyl, but the entire shared music experience is really about. Music is more than bits. Music is more than waves of air lapping or pounding at one's eardrums. Music is, or at least can be, about identity. That a fifteen year old kid is desperately trying to assert his should surprise absolutely nobody here.

  5. The "warmer, more nuanced sound" can be reproduced by rve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "warmer, more nuanced sound" can be reproduced with your own CD player. Just use an equalizer and turn the top- and bottom frequencies way down, as the LP never managed to reproduce those properly. You can also slowly crumple up some paper for that added soft cracking sound in the background.

    The LP was just never a very good reproduction of the sound in the studio.

    But ok, some people prefer the sound the way it is distorted by reproduction via LP/record player, a matter of taste.

  6. Re:Oy vey by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree. I'm sick of all this recent BS about how bad MP3 is. I downloaded severals albums in FLAC the other day to do an experiment. (I'm in Canada, and downloading is legal currently due to the levies we pay, so NYAH!) I did an experiment and encoded it into 245vbr MP3 and listened to both to compare. On most of it, I wound up losing track of which was FLAC and which was MP3. (This is on pretty decent headphones.) ONLY difference I noted was on one track there was 70's style guitar (Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, "Calypso Breakdown" if you're interested) and the MP3 DID lose the very VERY high end frequency on the guitar. Not enough to even really consider it was such a minimal difference. Certainly didn't detract from the song.

    Plus one big advantage with MP3 over even CD... YOU CAN'T SCRATCH AN MP3. I mean I love vinyl, I always will, I have tons of it in storage, but I'm also a realist. One mishap and you're precious vinyl is fucked for ever. Whenever I hear Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust", even after 25+ years, I STILL expect it to skip during the final chorus because my version got scratched there shortly after purchase. And, of course, MP3 won't break, warp in the heat etc... Vinyl may sound good, but it's a retarded format due to it's volatility.

    I've also got CD's that won't play properly due to a scratch being at just the wrong angle etc...

    Though I do find it funny that in the late 80's there was all that crap about the ink they use on CD's eating through the CD and rendering unplayable within seven years. Even made the mainstream media. Turned out to be utter garbage, surprise surprise. I've got CD's that are 20 years old and still play just fine.

  7. Re:Oy vey by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm also sick over the ramant BS over how records sound better than CD. Jeebus these people are stupid.

    Let's see, to get the BEST sound out of a record, it needs to be NEW and pressed right, then you need a new and high end cartridge on your high end turntable that has lots of mass so that you dont get speed fluxuations. Direct drive with at least 8 pounds of rotating mass is best. now you need the tonearm weight set as light as possible without letting it launch, but not damaging the record.

    So finally after spending 3-4 grand to play that record you had better be very still, oh isolate that turntable and not turn it up loud as the vibrations get back INTO the music.

    Only raving lunatics think the old albums are better. Cripes I have no intereste in even unboxing that SME turntable from the 80's with it's $1000.00 309 tonearm. Properly mastered CD's on a $99.00 CD player kick the CRAP out of albums except for the very first play.

    The problem is there has not been a properly mastered CD released for nearly a decade so most of you dont have a clue as to what a good one sounds like.

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  8. Re:Oy vey by donscarletti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For people to whom music quality matters (those who "love" music), there IS a difference in sound. If you just "like" music, then you're probably not going to hear an appreciable difference.
    Music isn't about sound, it is about rhythm, melody, harmony, lyrics and attitude. A beautiful work is still beautiful even with its high frequencies muddied up and a pop every few minutes. If audiophiles find momentary breaks in fidelity distracting whereas others do not, then it is the audiophiles who cannot love music. People train themselves to assess the technology, to listen for artifacts and distortion, when there is music playing all they can hear from it is that the impedance of the left woofer's coil is not matched with that of the amp. Having a nice sound system is something to be proud of, being able to hear the problems in cheaper ones is not.
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