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Environmental DVD Wrecks Apple Drives
FST777 writes "The British Mail on Sunday published its latest DVD giveaway on the EcoDisc, a thin and bendable DVD format that is supposed to be more environmentally-friendly than regular DVDs. Despite the clear warning against using them in Apple slot drives, some Mac users decided to give it a go. The result? A brisk trade for repair shops in the UK. 'The EcoDisc's manufacturer, ODS, insists the disc won't break drives. "We've produced over ten million of these discs — we've had less than a dozen phone calls," says managing director, Ray Wheeler. "There are ways to get the discs out." Wheeler says the problem stems from Apple's slot-loading drives. "It uses an ejection system that doesn't get approval from the DVD Forum." He claims the EcoDisc should work in other types of slot-loading drive, although admits that it hasn't been tested in the PlayStation 3.'"
GOOOOD! >8{}
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middle class, alarmist, conservative, "immigration is evil and all non-white immigrants should be castrated" type readers.
Wow, you have republicans in Britain?
Patriot - A fan of expanding government power and spending while not wanting to pay higher taxes.
The companies that were producing these disks just dropped the logo, going under the assumtion that if is was the same size as a CD and had a shiny bottom, that people would put it in thier CD players, and people did just that.
To most people a CD is defined as "something that is about 5 inches across and has a shiny bottom. If I put it in my computer something happens."
As a matter of fact, that pretty much is the definition of a Compact Disc(c). Compact Disk does include such things as discs with SecuROM and other DRM. But for the most part the standard is only what the disc is physically, not what's on it. The main reason people stopped with the Compact Disc(c) logo, is they had to shovel off a couple pennies to Sony each time they printed it, and that wasn't worth it.
If i had one dollar for every brain you dont have, i would have $1.
> Wow, you have republicans in Britain? Yes, they're called New Labour, and like Republicans they like invading countries populated by non-white people. We also have Conservatives who are even worse, but let's not even talk about them.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
So let me get this straight, I didn't want an answer to my problem, but I did want to bitch, but the problem doesn't exist?
Yes, I do want a solution -- ONE THAT EXISTS. I will try on the mac forums I guess, but it's important for others to know how crappy an interface that is, where I can barely even use a photo I just cropped.
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
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I don't know what you mean here. I'm under the impression that mail rules are to do with delivery/sorting, not view options, and my subject lines aren't darkened anyway. It seems to me you're complaining about not knowing much about the Mac UI. Here's a hint: different doesn't imply worse or better, it simply implies different. It may be worse, but to criticise based on your own unfamiliarity is not a valid point. *All* interfaces require the user become familiar with them, to gain the most efficiency.
iMovie ... "OH, wait, I can right-click too! Why hide this option from me? Oh yes, I forgot: people who prefer using one hand (or are disabled losers) need not apply"
This is a standard feature on the Mac - *any* ctrl-click is treated the same as a right-mouse click. This allows people who prefer to a use one-button mouse to have the same interface as those who prefer a multi-buttoned mouse.
iPhoto Photo's are indeed stored in a logical-to-the-computer storage hierarchy, probably so it can deal with a few hundred thousand images efficiently. On the other hand, all you need to do to get access to an image is click on it, and drag it to the desktop (or wherever). There's no need to go hunting for it through the Finder. There's also the 'Show File' option on that right-click popup menu, that'll locate it in the Finder for you if you want...
iChat
- Selects image on desktop
- Drags it to picture in top-right corner of the 'AIM Buddy List' ichat window
- Wonders what the fuss is about...
From reading this, it seems you're just unfamiliar with the Mac, and how it works in general. As mentioned above, different does not imply better or worse, but shooting your mouth off about how bad something is, when you're just missing how to do things, seems less than useful. Sure, there'll be problems in Mac apps - there are problems in all apps, but before you complain, perhaps it would be best to make sure they're *real* problems...
Simon, leaving the title as-is...
Physicists get Hadrons!
Flame on, Troll on. Thanks.
Don't have my MacBook in front of me, but, again, I was looking for a way to export the file I just made or show it in Finder (anything to access in some way other than the damn album!), so please, give me a teensy weensy bit of credit here. I may have seen and chosen a "show file" option, which promptly "showed" the file -- as a picture. I don't want the picture. I want its location so I can upload it to an internet website. There was certainly no export option.
Hey, maybe it's just because I'm using the '07 version, and not the '08 version where they advanced those innovations.
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
How does that make me look arrogant? \
You said:
Oh yes, I forgot: people who prefer using one hand (or are disabled losers) need not apply.
Really? You can't see an issue with that statement? Here, try this:
So your saying that if your an average person (including that UbuntuDupe loser) you'll find ctrl-clicking inconvenient?
How about now? Did you detect a little bit of a dig there? Something a certain ubuntudupe might take offense too? I mean, even though I was just saying that most people find ctrl-clicking inconvenient...?
You are just plain wrong. It is illegal for them to call it a CD. There are no new CDs for sale on Amazon. Look for them, check the images of the product front and back. You won't find them. And the reason why you can't find them is because it has already been judged to be a fraudulent act to label what are being sold these days as CDs.
They are not CDs. They are not called CDs, they are not labeled CDs, they are materially NOT CDs. None of the babble you put forth about how everyone is ignorant and assumes means nothing at all.
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would suggest that just asking is more likely to get positive responses than ranting.
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My goal is to show the frustration macs subject their users to. Suggesting that I ask for help misses the point.
Yeah, I think it's generally called a secondary click
Yes, I Know how to right-click on a track-pad and two-button mouse, thanks. Despite the complete lack of mention of this option in any help menu.
I'm not sure what you're doing, but a lot of people claim this because it is there. Just checking... right-click on image, show original, yep. It's there.
*what* is there? You guys are being remarkably inconsistent. One of you says there's a "show in finder" option, another says it's a "show file" option, and now you're saying it's supposed to be "show original". (and of course I'm supposed to know "show original" means "show the location, in finder, of the file you just MODIFIED from the original)
If you want to upload your image, you can drag the image to an FTP application or to a file upload form element right from within iPhoto.
Okay, I don't *normally* use an FTP service when uploadint to photobucket, but I guess I was supposed to configure an FTP server. Must have missed that flyer when the MacBook arrived.
So, now your suggestion is that when I get to the website where I want to upload the photo, I'm suppose to (whilst wasting a lot of time) resize my little safari window, then go back to iPhoto, resize it so I can see it and safari at the same time, then drag it to the file slot, HELPFULLY avoiding that BURDENSOME step of actually learning where the hell the file is on my computer.
GREAT interface design, let me tell you. MUCH easier than clicking browse --> folder I was just working in pops up --> double click --> click.
No, you're not. You can switch applications, use Exposé
Yeah, good point. Going through all that crap is MUCH easier than "save as".
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
Ah I see. Lets see if I got this right?
Basically you intended the 'speaker' of that sentence to be understood to be Apple.
On re-reading your post, I agree that the context sufficiently establishes that, but its not strongly established that you are fully immersed 'in the character of apple'. (eg. had you written the entire post 'in character'.)
Without that, your use of parenthesis around the loser clause, specifically leads the reader to reasonably infer that this is an injection by -you-, the -author-, not the 'speaking character' of Apple.
Had you written something along the lines of...
Well we all know that Apple thinks, "People preferring one hand, not to mention those disabled losers, need not apply."
You would have been fine with that. But using parenthesis was your undoing. Punctuation counts.
cheers!
I still have no idea what you mean by this.
DING DING DING DING DING! Maybe that should clue you in on the problem: that stuff is popping up and annoying me, and *there's no clear way to get rid of it*. Yes, you don't know what was going on. NEITHER DID I, and I already told you everything I know.
The problem is not the "read/unread" distinction. Give me a little credit here, since you're trying to make me the Windows fanboy. That must mean I know about bolding unread messages.
The problem was that the background of all subject lines was dark for some reason. It annoyed me, and I couldn't change it, and I doubt you'd do any better than I did. (wait, wait, I know, I must have gone into some hidden options somewhere and added that, right?)
Did you consider moving/resizing the Mail window, if it's obscuring the dock ? And I'm not sure what this "options window" is either - you are sure you're using Mail.app that comes with OSX, aren't you ?
You're really testing my patience, aren't you?
-The mail app is not obscuring the doc.
-Yes, it's the one that came with OSX, unless some elves replace the one that was on the left side of the lower (lauch) bar that was there on first bootup.
-The "options" window is one of the windows for setting mail filters.
-I cannot move that window, and it spills over onto the launch bar!!!! I cannot scroll up and down on it either. I'm supposed to somehow click stuff which is right on top of the launch bar, which, oops, actually just launches the program on the bar at that location. Good luck justifying that user interface design, dude.
Your own ignorance of the extensive use of right-clicking within Apple's OS and apps is not a good argument.
I'm not ignorant of the use of right-clicking. I'm ignorant of why they decided to make the help option tell you the HARDER way to do stuff, and the way that's impossible for disabled people. (Who cares about *them*, right?)
I've never used iMovie, but the response from someone above seems reasonable "save frame as" would imply you can both save a given frame, and name it what you want...
I already told you I right-clicked and it wasn't there. That was the very first thing I tried.
As for the menu item, it does exist. I've just used it. Just in case you're being incredibly dense, the option is "Show File", not "Show in Finder".
Ah, okay, so in your opinion, it's "good user interface design" to make the term "show file" when using iPhoto, but to call it "show in Finder" when doing the exact same thing in PhotoBooth, and I'm supposed to know that "show file" means "Show in Finder" rather than "display the file to me", which it's already doing.
No, you don't have to store anything anywhere. Again, it was an example. I'd expected you to delete the file from the desktop immediately afterwards.
LOL!!!! So, to summarize, SOP for uploading files is to:
-resize the window of the program I'm using
-Drag the file out of it and onto the desktop.
-open safari and resize it so I can see the original program, safari, and the file
-drag the file into safari and into the upload box
-upload it
-delete the file from the desktop
Drag it to the image well in the top-right of the buddy-list window
The same drag/drop works from photo-booth by the way...
Nope, I already tried those, which is why I had to do all the frustrating other stuff.
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
Apple does adhere to standards. Look at scsi, ATA, sata, bluetooth, usb, firewire, the list goes on and on. It's pretty rare to find a bit of hardware that is not fundamentally compatible with mac. The last time I heard of an example was when the new powermac g5's came out with their internal sata drives, that some large western digital drives did not work with them. Turned out to be a problem with WD not adhering to the standards in a way that most other manufacturers flubbed on and got away with, and so apple was one of the few that truly DID adhere to the SATA standard. WD has since fixed their firmware. (you don't dot your i or cross your t? ok we're not playing ball.)
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Seriously if you can't open your drive with a screw driver and take the damn thing out, you have no business using a computer. Wait these are Mac users we are talking about, never mind then...
I can remember taking apart a PS2 drive that had lost a couple teeth on one of the gears used to drive the laser back and fourth. Just busted out some old drives from the closet, finding the gears to be too big to small etc, well the teeth were the right size. A couple snips and good use of epoxy later, unbricked that ps2... For a little while at least.
The point is it was fun, getting drunk with my buddies and working with what we had. And if we were doing that back in our high school daze, I can't imagine a grown ass adult too scared or too retarded to get the damn disc out them selves.
I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask where they're goin' and hook up with 'em later.
All so much easier than an eject button on the drive itself. Apple is truly a company of geniuses.
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because I'm on a german system
Ah, okay, maybe if I speak German I'll get through.
Sigh. Look, I realize now you're just trolling. I'm kinda sorry I tried to help you.
Kein trollen. Informizieren.
have no idea how the menu item is called on your system because I'm on a german system, and you're presumably on an US system, so my menu items are in german and yours are in english. I see it is too much to ask to simply right-click on an image and see for yourself.
Du beschreibtest eine Option, "Original zeigen". *Welches* Original? Ich habe das Bild modifiziert! Das bedeutet, *nicht Original*! Was ist original ueber ein Bild, das schon modifiziert wurde?
Siehe meine Video. Die Option existiert nicht, wenn man tut, was ich getan habe.
It was just an example. Works like that with every other app, I chose FTP because it is a popular application for file uploading. What the hell is wrong with you...
Noch schwerer. Ich habe schon beschreibt, wieviel mehr ich machen muss, wenn ich Dein Method benutze.
Apology to Ubuntu forum.