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Teen Takes On Donor's Immune System

Leibel writes "The Australian ABC News is reporting that a 15-year-old Australian liver transplant patient has defied modern medicine by taking on her donor's immune system. Demi-Lee Brennan had a liver transplant. Nine months later, doctors at Sydney's Westmead Children's Hospital were amazed to find the teenager's blood group had changed to the donor's blood type. They were even more surprised when they found the girl's immune system had almost totally been replaced by that of the donor, meaning she no longer had to take anti-rejection drugs. 'Dr. Michael Stormon says his team is now trying to identify how the phenomenon happened and whether it can be replicated. "That's probably easier said than done... I think it's a long shot," he said. "I think it's a unique system of events whereby this happened. "We postulate there's a number of different issues - the type of liver failure that she had, some of the drugs that we use early on to suppress the immune system and also that she suffered an infection with a virus called CMV, or cytomegalovirus, which can also suppress the immune system."'"

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  1. ob. by russellh · · Score: 5, Funny

    kids these days.

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  2. She's a MUTIE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kill her! Who knows what other powers she might have?

    1. Re:She's a MUTIE!!! by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention that, when you get right down to it, she probably just committed a DMCA violation of some kind when copying the host's immune system - probably using radiation from her mobile phone (for the digital angle).

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  3. Warring immune systems? by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like carbosilicate amorph warfare to me...but then, who'dathunk that the Australians would go in for that schlock?

    Actually, if memory serves, NPR had a short bit on a treatment for negating the need for anti-rejection drugs in kidney transplants--they not only transplanted the kidney, but also bone marrow from the donor, and 5 patients out of 6 were able to go off the anti-rejection drugs.

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    1. Re:Warring immune systems? by NIckGorton · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except that both of her parents are also Rh negative. From the NEJM article: "Nine months after transplantation, a small-bowel obstruction developed, requiring surgical division of adhesions and resection of an ileal band. Routine preoperative blood grouping revealed that the patient's blood group had changed from O, RhD-negative, to O, RhD-positive (the donor's blood group), and a weakly positive direct antiglobulin test indicated coating of red blood cells with IgG antibodies. At that time, there was no evidence of spherocytosis on the blood film to suggest hemolysis; the hemoglobin level was 95 g per liter. This finding was confirmed by the Australian Red Cross Blood Service. Both parents had group O, RhD-negative blood with the phenotype ccdee, whereas their daughter's phenotype was now cDEe. However, serum samples showed mixed-field reactions with anti-D and anti-E typing."

      Of course the parents genotype is no absolute guarantee, as it is always "momma's baby, daddy's maybe" but it sounds like they have this pretty well nailed down. She really did develop chimerism.

  4. Self-rejection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So if she takes on her donor's immune system, how does that prevent her from rejecting her own body tissues?

    1. Re:Self-rejection? by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps it has something to do with the virus she caught--it suppressed the immune system to the point where it had to 'reboot', as it were, and apparently recognized the new hardware on boot?

      Which would seem to indicate that the immune system BIOS has some kind of PnP support--I guess that'd explain some of the viruses...

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    2. Re:Self-rejection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What the hell kind of car analogy is that?

    3. Re:Self-rejection? by KublaiKhan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd beg to differ--it's a lot more like a reinstall, because if it was a system restore, she'd have her old liver back. This is more like a patch followed by a virus followed by a manual reinstall of the AV program, which then takes the current contents of the registry as canonical. I guess it only remains to determine what OS this girl's running...

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    4. Re:Self-rejection? by IdeaMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude... "Get out of the car, get back in the car." It's a classic.

      Haven't heard it before? Here goes:
      A mechanical engineer, hydraulic engineer, electrical engineer and a computer programmer were riding together in the car, and it stops. They all get out and look at the car. The mechanical engineer checks the tires, the hydraulic engineer checks the brakes, and the electrical engineer checks the voltage on the battery. The computer programmer goes "Guys cmon, all we gotta do is get out of the car and get back in the car". They get back in the car, it starts right back up and they're on their way.

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    5. Re:Self-rejection? by NIckGorton · · Score: 5, Informative
      Nope. Its the boy's immune system now. From the NEJM article:

      "The change in this patient from group O, RhD-negative blood to group O, RhD-positive blood suggested the development of chimerism by engraftment of the recipient marrow from passenger hematopoietic stem cells within the transplanted liver. Fluorescence in situ hybridization studies for the X and Y chromosomes were performed on a bone marrow aspirate and peripheral-blood lymphocytes 3 months after the onset of hemolysis (post-transplantation day 395).2 Analysis of cells from the marrow, sorted by means of flow cytometry, showed that they were male (XY) in myeloid, erythroid, and CD19+ B cells. Analysis of peripheral-blood aliquots revealed a predominantly male (donor) population: of 50 T cells, 94% were male and 6% were female; of 50 B cells, 98% were male and 2% were female; of 50 granulocytes, 100% were male; and of 50 natural killer cells, 100% were male" And that was while she was still on an immune suppression regimen. After they found the results above, they made a decision: "These results suggested that the hemolysis was due to the production of antibodies by residual B lymphocytes in the recipient against engrafted erythroid cells from the donor. A choice between two therapeutic options was then considered: the use of rituximab, an anti-CD20 monoclonal antibody, which would deplete all B cells (both host and donor cells), or withdrawal of all immunosuppressive therapy to allow full engraftment. The decision was made to withdraw the immunosuppressive therapy." After which her immune system essentially became entirely that of the boy whose liver she received. Even to the point that since he hadn't gotten his MMR vaccine, she lost her immunity to measles, mumps, and rubella (which she regained when she was re-immunized.)
    6. Re:Self-rejection? by AgentPaper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That was precisely my thought - where exactly does this differ from GVH? Any time you have a mismatch between HLA haplotypes on immune cells and other tissue cells, you're going to have an immune reaction, regardless of whose immune cells initiate it. It's rather unique that this occurred in the context of a solid organ transplant - you usually see it with bone marrow - but the underlying process doesn't look any different.

      Of course, ABC News isn't exactly a peer-reviewed journal, so I'll reserve full analysis for such time as this patient is written up in the literature, but I'm not seeing anything outside the realms of modern medicine here.

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    7. Re:Self-rejection? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess it only remains to determine what OS this girl's running...

      Worst... pick-up... line... EVER!

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    8. Re:Self-rejection? by barakn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What everyone seems to be missing and what is so cool about this case is that it was [b]stem cells[/b] that migrated to the bone marrow. These stem cells were in an untrained state. Once they differentiated into B cells, T cells, macrophages, etc., they went through the same training process that happened to you as an infant, where any self-reactive cells are programmed to self destruct. It really was a full reboot.

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    9. Re:Self-rejection? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So complete immune system replacement?

      As a person with minimal medical knowledge, does this perhaps open a door to a future possible therapy for other immune system affecting/avoiding diseases? e.g. HIV

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  5. But what about her OEM parts? by kindbud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't her new immune system see the rest of her body apart from the liver as a foreign invader, and attack it?

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    1. Re:But what about her OEM parts? by IdeaMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I only thought it was weird that messing with the liver did it. I thought they did it all the time with certain types of leukemia with big doses of radiation, by killing off the patients existing immune system and then doing a bone marrow transplant. Maybe I misunderstood and they were using relatives to donate the bone marrow?

      http://www.neurologyreviews.com/dec04/nr_dec04_bonemarrow.html
      http://www.chemcases.com/cisplat/cisplat20.htm

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  6. IYes, I read TFA by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and the two most interesting words in it were "...stem cells..."

  7. Cure worse than the disease? by cvd6262 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If CMV was really the cause of this strange, but fortunate, occurence, that's a tough one.

    CMV is no laughing matter. It's one of the opportunistic diseases that immuno-deficit people have to worry about. It can lead to blindness and a slew of other complications.

    The best we can hope for (if CMV is to thank for this effect) is that they can isolate the mechanism and replicate it. You wouldn't want to use CMV in this way.

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  8. The implications are much more profound than that by Phoenix666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The implications for immunology and organ transplants are amazing, but it goes even further than that. If you can induce stem cells to penetrate a patient's bone marrow, then you open the door to all kinds of innovations.

    Imagine if they could take a sample of your DNA, correct inherited defects, and then re-implant you with stem cells carrying the corrected sequence. It would mean hope for victims of all kinds of diseases like Tay-Sachs or Kreuzfeld-Jacob.

    At the very least, the promise of being able to transfer immunological memory on the marrow level potentially means that all we have to do is find the one person whose immune system wipes out HIV, say, and we can all receive that same immunity.

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  9. 2 questions by Stooshie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who has received a renal Tx and who also has a degree in Anat.,Phys.&Biochem. I have 2 questions.

    1. If her immune system has been replaced by her donors, won't her other organs/tissues (her own) be rejected by her new (her donor's) immune system?
    2. They gave her a liver from someone with a different blood type?!? I know other markers as well as blood type are taken into account (and in hepatic Tx urgency is another factor), but I thought a blood type match was the minimum requirement.
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    1. Re:2 questions by Stooshie · · Score: 3, Informative

      True to a certain extent. AB could probably handle O, but AB couldn't handle A or B (just the same as A couldn't handle B or vice versa). Having the A markers yourself, as an AB, doesn't neutralise the problems with the B vs A clashwith your B markers and their A markers).

      Certainly, when reciving blood, if she was AB positive, she can be a universal recipient. But that would be for an emergency blood transfusion. In an organ transplant situation it would be too risky.

      Just as a side note. The problems with different blood types in blood transfusions is less to do with rejection by the immune system and more to do with the blood cells co-aggulating. With a transplant the problem is more to do with rejection by the immune system.

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    2. Re:2 questions by Grym · · Score: 4, Informative

      If her immune system has been replaced by her donors, won't her other organs/tissues (her own) be rejected by her new (her donor's) immune system?

      A better article on this case described her original blood group to be Type O negative(-) with her new blood group being Type O positive(+).

      In this special instance, there would be no reaction. Simply stated, anti-bodies can only be generated for antigens. Thus, you cannot have a humeral immune response based upon a lack of an antigen. This, incidentally, is the same reason why a type AB positive(+) person can receive blood transfusions from any blood group.

      They gave her a liver from someone with a different blood type?!? I know other markers as well as blood type are taken into account (and in hepatic Tx urgency is another factor), but I thought a blood type match was the minimum requirement.

      This is a good point. I can only guess that because the recipient's blood type was rare (approximately 9% of the population in Australia, according to wikipedia) and that the donors blood type was close (and perhaps their major histocompatibility was good too), other factors like urgency might have taken precedence over the ideal hope of a "perfect match."

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    3. Re:2 questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nope, a blood-type match is not required. I was a live liver donor two years ago,
      my blood type is O+, the recipient is A+.

  10. Re:Is she related to Sigorney Weaver? by king-manic · · Score: 3, Funny

    weyland yutani Biotech division.

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  11. Article: Bone Marrow + organ = no rejection by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative
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  12. Graft Versus Host Disease by NIckGorton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, its called Graft Versus Host Disease (GVDH), and is a common complication of bone marrow transplantation. If it happens, it manifests as skin, liver, and gut problems mostly. Liver obviously isn't going to be a problem for her, and it sounds like from the original NEJM article I just read that she hasn't had any other manifestations of GVHD. If you are going to get bad GVHD its usually early on, so she's out of that woods, but there is always chronic GVHD manifestations that will show with time.

    Though given a choice, I'd take the GVHD risk, lose the immunosuppressants, and never worry that my liver graft would fail. All in all she's a hella lucky kid.

  13. NPR Story on new transplant techniques by spoonboy42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This story actually coincides with an interesting story that ran on NPR yesterday about several experimental new transplant techniques that might help future transplant patients avoid having to take anti-rejection drugs, as well.

    In particular, the article tells the story of one 28-year-old woman who received a kidney transplant from her mother, who was only a partial match. Prior to the kidney transplant, she also received a partial bone marrow transplant from her mother. The bone marrow transplant essentially caused the patient's immune system to become a "blend" of her own and her mother's, producing T-cells that would attack bacterial and viral antigens just like normal, but leave the transplanted kidney alone.

    The results are pretty impressive. The patient originally had to take anti-rejection drugs after her first kidney transplant at age 13, and they caused a host of miserable side effects. After her more recent transplant, however, she's been off the drugs for five years and even ran 2 marathons last year (how's that for healthy?).

    Unfortunately, the new technique only works for organs that you intentionally plan on transplanting ahead of time, since the bone marrow has to be transplanted first in a separate surgery. That means that organ donors who die and donate hearts, livers, etc. aren't really an option. But for a transplant from a living donor, this is a very promising new technique (some of the researchers even think that it could eventually make transplants from animals possible).

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  14. Re:Sounds like malpractice. by NIckGorton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it normal to transplant livers across blood types? You can accept an Rh mismatch for a liver transplantation. And if you are going to die tomorrow, death from rejection in 5 years is a better deal.

    This sounds like a nearly missed case of malpractice. No. First of all this was not in the US. It is a uniquely American thing to assume that unless 1) All care is 100% perfect and 2) The outcome is 100% perfect, that you should sue your physician for malpractice.

    Despite the best care, sometimes bad things happen and people die. And sometimes the best care isn't possible, and you do the best you can as the doctors did in this case. The ideal is a perfect blood type and HLA match, however failing to act because you don't have a perfect match would have resulted in this child's death. Perfect in this case is the enemy of good.

    Unfortunately this sort of attitude creates no end to trouble and causes both inappropriately aggressive therapeutics and diagnostics in the US as opposed to elsewhere. There is a saying amongst OB/Gyns - you don't get sued for the C-Section that you do, you get sued for the C-Section you don't do. So surprise.... the US has a higher section rate for women. Similarly, in the US your child with belly pain is much more likely to get a CT scan to rule out appendicitis. Doing the CT doesn't get you sued, but failing to do it eventually will (because there is always going to be that very small number of kids with an appy that presented very atypically.) However, if you do 500 Abdominal CTs in kids less than 15, you will ultimately cause one excess cancer death in that group. But you won't get sued when the kid dies of renal cell cancer in his 40's. So kids with a very low risk of appendicitis instead of being observed (maybe even at home with responsible parents) will more often in the US get a trip to the donut and the resulting dose of radiation to their more vulnerable bodies.

    While it might seem that holding physicians to unreasonable expectations is beneficial, in the long run you will get worse care due to the practice of defensive medicine.