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Data Recovery & Solid State

theoverlay writes "With all of the recent hype about solid-state drives in both consumer applications and enterprise environments I have a real concern about data recovery on these devices. I know there are services for flash memory restoration but has anyone been involved in data restoration projects on ssd drives? What are the limits and circumstances that have surfaced so far? What tools will law enforcement and government use to retrieve data for investigations and the like?"

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  1. Re:SSDs have one infallible data recovery option by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

    -1, didn't read the question. He is NOT asking about how reliable the drives are, since he acknowledges that ANY media can fail. Instead, he asks about recovery options when there are no other alternatives, such as extreme disasters or criminal cases where data was intentionally lost. This is a good question, I look forward to constructive answers and the discussion that follows. Yours, however, is a dead end.

  2. Re:Honk! Honk! by Vicarius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually with regular/magnetic drives data is not gone forever with one pass. You can still use specialized readers that will detect change in magnetic field and be able to tell whether the analyzed bit was 0 or 1 before it was overwritten.

  3. Re:Honk! Honk! by tripwirecc · · Score: 5, Informative

    That may have worked with old drives, forensics experts tell me these MFM/RLL things, but with modern drives and the used recording tech, it's practically impossible. But hey, keep pandering to these myths.

  4. Re:Honk! Honk! by Jagen · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is a myth based on a theoretical paper. The principle is good, but you would need to know the starting voltage of each bit and exactly how many times that bit had been written to. Overwrite your files once, and they're gone, for good.

  5. Re:Use the gForce by carpe_noctem · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like I misspoke a bit... looks like the point of this post isn't to ask something that could have been easily googled, it was for this chump to plug his blog. So, let me rephrase:

    Ask Slashdot: When a slashvertisement just won't do, since you've only got yourself to sell.

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  6. Re:SSDs have one infallible data recovery option by JesseL · · Score: 5, Informative

    One confounding aspect of trying to permanently erase things from solid state drives is the fact that most flash drives incorporate wear-leveling. You may not be able to over write specific physical sectors without just overwriting the whole drive several times.

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  7. Re:Pointless by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    It appears that solid state drives are going to have several times the MTBF of conventional media, and thus a failure rate several times lower. Generally speaking, solid state media don't fail. You lose sectors over time and these get replaced from the resevoir. When the resevoir runs out, the size of the available space shrinks, but AFAIK, data doesn't get corrupted when a sector gets stuck.

    AFAIK, the only way you get data corruption in a SSD is from power fluctuations causing a bad write.
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  8. Re:Honk! Honk! by FesterDaFelcher · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not in less than a second, but all of the hard drives we used on the AWACS plane had toggle switches that would begin writing random 1s and 0s to the drive for as long as there was power applied. One complete rewrite took appox 15 seconds, and the T.O. specified flipping the switch at least 2 minutes before a catastrophic event (read: plane crash). We also had another tool for physical destruction of our equipment, commonly called an "axe". :)

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  9. Re:Honk! Honk! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are wrong, in fact the small feature size of modern HDD's actually makes it easier in some cases as the smaller magnetic domains are harder to flip so even small changes in alignment will mean that recoverable data will be left behind. You are wrong. You should have cited the author's follow-up to the original paper, like I just did.

    Here's the relevant part of new epilogue:

    Looking at this from the other point of view, with the ever-increasing data density on disk platters and a corresponding reduction in feature size and use of exotic techniques to record data on the medium, it's unlikely that anything can be recovered from any recent drive except perhaps a single level via basic error-cancelling techniques. In particular the drives in use at the time that this paper was originally written have mostly fallen out of use, so the methods that applied specifically to the older, lower-density technology don't apply any more. In fact, the same man has written paper that somewhat addresses the original question regarding forensic recovery of erased data in sold-state memory for usenix 2001.
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  10. Quick and Most Secure Drive Erasing by Nintendork · · Score: 4, Informative

    DoD5220.22-M is what most use and is becomming old-school. That means three passes. Ones, Zeros, then Random. However, the national standard in America is NIST 800-88. Newer drives have a function built into the firmware that do a secure erase in one pass, even covering spare sectors. It's called Secure Erase or SE. The NSA likes it, rating it higher than using an external program. It meets security requirements of HIPAA, PIPEDA, GLBA, and Sarbanes-Oxley. If you want it, check into this man's utility and its educational document.

  11. Re:Honk! Honk! by Nintendork · · Score: 4, Informative

    I remember reading about this in regards to CRT. Here's a good article. Regarding the reading of CAT5 from a distance, I call BS. There isn't enough leakage due to the positive/negative pairs. In any case, IPSec in transport mode should be used for secure transmission on any media. No standalone device required. Even fiber can have a splitter installed for eavesdropping if the traffic isn't encrypted.