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Data Recovery & Solid State

theoverlay writes "With all of the recent hype about solid-state drives in both consumer applications and enterprise environments I have a real concern about data recovery on these devices. I know there are services for flash memory restoration but has anyone been involved in data restoration projects on ssd drives? What are the limits and circumstances that have surfaced so far? What tools will law enforcement and government use to retrieve data for investigations and the like?"

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  1. Er, what's the actual question? by broken_chaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it "How can I recover data from a failing/failed solid-state drive?"? Or is it "How easily can someone else find my 'deleted' data on my solid-state drive?"?

    I'm not sure of the answer to either question, directly, but I'd suggest multiple backups for the first one, and encryption for the second one (full/near-full disk encryption is quite fast on a multi-core system).

  2. What is the Data recovery % for non SSD drives? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I realize there are "professional" companies that specialize in data recovery, but in my ( admittedly limited) experience I've only heard of sob stories of people paying $$$ and not getting any data back. On the plus side, Its always taught them to back up their data.

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  3. Re:Honk! Honk! by farkus888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that is not enough to securely wipe a traditional hd. the current standard is 7 passes of random 1s and 0s. even worse than that, I have had people who formerly worked nsa tell my that really sensitive data is only considered gone when they have dismantled the drive and melted the platters in acid.

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  4. Simple by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want security, encrypt before you store. If you want recoverability, get a real backup. Seriously, this has been this way ever since computers got fast enough to do AES on the fly against disk. Ubuntu supports it in the alternate installer, Debian and probably the rest too. On Windows various closed source software like DriveCrypt++, Bitlocker and whatnot is available. This isn't really all that difficult...

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  5. Re:Pointless by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with your post, and would like to point out that the original question is moot. Between SSD media, redundant drive systems, and autonomous remote backup platforms, you should care little about the media data recovery rate. Only care that you've put an intelligent data management system into place. Don't have a single point of failure (like the media) and you'll be fine.

  6. Re:Honk! Honk! by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd figure the same as with regular harddisks apply. One pass and gone the data is.

    Except that unlike normal HDDs, SSDs intentionally fragment the data across the drive to avoid writing to a specific section of the drive repeatedly (an attempt to avoid over-writing to the flash). Assuming you don't fill up the ENTIRE DRIVE, your data might very well still be there.

    I'd love to ask Ontrack or Drivesavers about it, to be honest.

  7. SSDs have one infallible data erasure option by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is the same infallible data erasure option for any media. Incineration.

    Trusting data loss to just one delete command is being broken in the head.

  8. Destroying sensitive data by Venik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you have any data that you may need to destroy quickly and permanently, I would suggest using DVDs. Sure, it's slow and a hassle but, when you need to get rid of a large volume of information in a hurry, you just take your DVDs and put them in a microwave for a few seconds.

    The damage microwave radiation causes to the data on the DVD extends beyond visible damage to the metal layer. That is to say that, even though it may seem like there are undamaged areas left on the DVD's surface, they are still unreadable. And it only takes 2-3 seconds to completely destroy a whole stack of DVDs, if they are arranged in a microwave with some space between them. Rewriting a hard drive with multiple passes may take hours and still leaves a possibility that some data may be recovered.

    It seems to me that with SSD data recovery should work better than with conventional hard drives. You may need to overwrite the entire disk multiple times, as opposed to overwriting just the selected data, as you would with a conventional hard drive.

  9. Re:Honk! Honk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're citing a 1996 paper when discussing modern HDDs?

  10. Re:Honk! Honk! by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not, GMR technology was already on its way out of the lab by 1996, the only HDD tech more advanced than that is vertical recording which is still new and only used in a handful of drives.

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  11. Re:Honk! Honk! by William-Ely · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work in the data recovery field and I can say that it _might_ be possible to recover overwritten data on older drives by messing with their calibration but at that point the likelihood of success has to be incredibly small. With the data density of modern drives being as high as 250Gb/in^2 you would need some serious equipment and a lot of time, money, and patience. In fact I imagine that if the data was that important that you would go to such lengths to recover it you should shoot yourself for not having a backup of it somewhere.

    The recovery process for SSD media is actually similar to normal flash memory. In fact it's easier than normal drives since there are no heads and platters to worry about. So yes deleted files can still be recovered and drive scrubbing utilities will still work as intended.

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  12. Re:Honk! Honk! by s13g3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How in the name of CowboyNeal did parent get modded as +5 Informative?

    I recover deleted data WITHOUT a clean room or disk disassembly process on a nigh-daily basis. There are plenty of software tools that will recover data post-format, deletion, or crash; some even after multiple passes. Just yesterday I recovered about 3.4GB of data from a hard drive (that I didn't know at the time was failing with bad read-heads that were pinging the disk surface and creating physically-bad sectors) that had been reformatted (full format, not quick) and re-installed. The particular sequence of apps and methods I used enabled me to recover almost all the important docs on the machine minus a handful of unrecoverable files in the physically failed sectors. The disk later crashed again after the recovery, which was when I discovered the drive was failing. The MFT and MBR were completely shot and most bootable diagnostic applications listed the disk as unreadable. Others would attempt to read the disk but showed no data, even some tools that are supposed to seek data outside the MBR by examining individual clusters. Once again by using the right tools in the right sequence, I am, as I write this, recovering data from the disk yet again (this time as a slave drive in another machine, backing up to a known good archive drive)... Looks like I'm once again going to get all the data but another handful of files that were stored on physically damaged sectors.

    So, no one is pandering - please to know what you're talking about first... Yes, my ability to recover data via software tools extends even to many (but not all) software applications that are supposed to securely and irrevocably destroy data. Also, if you're insistent about staying off-topic in regards to data-destruction in the face of law enforcement, not only are all the software methods you might use to destroy data far too slow, but chances are they just won't do the trick. This was a giant concern for the U.S. Air Force after the collision of a P-3 Orion with a Chinese fighter jet, where it was forced to land in China, and NONE of the data destruction techniques available to the crew were remotely sufficient to destroy enough data in the time available to them, but even if they had been, chances are a devoted enough analyst with the proper equipment and time still would have been able to recover more data than desirable (which, since it was all highly classified, means any data at all) outside of explosives, which they had, but are not generally a good idea to detonate on the inside of a flying aircraft. Since then the U.S.A.F. has developed a method of data destruction that utilizes what is essentially a modified medical defibrillator with a somewhat greater total output and replacement of the standard shock paddles with high-strength electromagnets that are placed on both sides on the drive and then discharged, functionally flipping the polarity of the entire disk and destroying all lingering magnetically resonant harmonics.

    A dedicated and determined analyst with the right tools and time can recover vast quantities of data on disk subject even to a "military format"... Modern drives and recording techniques have nothing to do with anything in this regard. The only fool-proof way is massive electromagnetic discharge, incineration or to sand or otherwise physically damage the platters themselves... To quote 'Zerth' from above, "Fe2O3+2Al is your friend." Nothing will do the job quite as readily as Thermite, however it obviously presents it's own issues... especially since setting it off to erase your hard-drives before the authorities arrive is almost certain to earn you a large number of other very serious criminal charges, and liable to burn your home or office down; it's also hard to get the stuff to ignite reliably sometimes.

    I'd STILL like to hear an answer to the actual question put forth in the article... We all know that hard disks can be disassembled and forensically recovered in the case of serious failure or attempted data destruction... But a

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  13. Tools Depend on Who's Attacking You by billstewart · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The tools that get used to investigate your disk drives are going to depend a lot on who's trying to investigate you and your computers - how much are they willing to spend.


    Law enforcement organizations aren't going to waterboard you, which would be against the law, though they might have fun tasing you. And courts have simpler methods - they issue you a subpoena that says to turn over any information you've got, and can make you sit in jail or pay heavy fines for not handing it over, or if it's a civil lawsuit they can decide that you're acting in bad faith and decide in favor of your opponent and make you pay their attorney's costs.


    Law enforcement organizations are also highly unlikely to get out the electron microscopes and look for fuzzy bits around the edges of your disk tracks; that's more of an NSA/CIA spy-vs-spy kind of threat model. On the other hand, they are often willing to have some sleep-deprived technician who likes bright lights and loud obnoxious music do the kind of disk recovery that looks at your file systems for the data sitting around in unerased blocks or marked deleted in directory listings.


    Fundamentally, if you're storing data on a computer that you don't want anybody else to recover, you need to store it in encrypted form so the only thing that can be recovered is the cyphertext.


    For most people, though, the real threat model is that Murphy and BillG gang up on you. For that you need backups, and you need to periodically make sure you can recover your backups, and every couple of years you need to copy the data from old media to new media because otherwise your only copy will be on a 9-track tape or MFM disk. And BillG's still going to make sure that you can't read that proprietary file format that was used by some word processor in 1994. And your corporate IT staff are going to write a backup script that only copies files in Microsoft Office formats, which don't include the .txt and .html you saved them in to prevent that problem. (And yes, that's happened to me during a laptop upgrade, and of course they returned the old drive for credit before they gave the new laptop back to me.)


    Fortunately, storage costs have been dropping much faster than Moore's Law predicts, so in theory it's getting easier or at least cheaper to do backups. In practice, Murphy's taken out one of my new 500GB drives, and Maxtor's turned the other one from 500GB into 128/137 GB because the old Maxtor USB-drive case didn't know if the new Maxtor drive supported 48-bit addressing....

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  14. Re:Datarecovery of SSD drives. by Silver+Gryphon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In 1998 I worked for a real estate company that kept its entire rent database on an IBM DisplayWriter 8" floppy disk, no backups. Strangely enough, it lasted longer than the 30MB hard disk in the CEO's secretary's PC. Boss man said to spend $1,000 to recover the address list on the drive. They salvaged everything, including the 25KB of value on a 30MB drive. Finally backed up to... wait for it... a single 3.5" floppy. $84 million in revenue and you couldn't convince them to spend a dime in the right places.

    When the CEO drove to work in his new $300k Ferrari, I decided my value was understated and moved. They sold the company 3 years later.

  15. Re:Honk! Honk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What a waste of space and time. All that text was written just because the author doesn't know the difference between wiping and (full) formatting. He thinks he's leet because he has a collection of warezed data recovery tools which reconstruct files from readable sectors on a hard disk which a preceding format didn't touch. At least it's an example for the way moderation works in pseudonymous contexts: Confidence draws positive moderation, no matter how wrong the author is.