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Data Recovery & Solid State

theoverlay writes "With all of the recent hype about solid-state drives in both consumer applications and enterprise environments I have a real concern about data recovery on these devices. I know there are services for flash memory restoration but has anyone been involved in data restoration projects on ssd drives? What are the limits and circumstances that have surfaced so far? What tools will law enforcement and government use to retrieve data for investigations and the like?"

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  1. Pointless by mlyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It appears that solid state drives are going to have several times the MTBF of conventional media, and thus a failure rate several times lower. Sure, data recovery is much less likely to work when SSDs fail-- as it's more likely to be the actual memory failing than controller chips or ancillary electronics. However, normal disk recovery places can only recover your data from a failing/failed drive perhaps 60-75% of the time. Thus, the actual incidence of unrecoverable data on a SSD is likely to be much lower than with rotating media, and the overall failure rate lower still. This is nothing but a win, as the normal data recovery rackets are made irrelevant in the case of media failure and overall reliability is improved.

  2. Secure erase by trainman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually my concern would be more the exact opposite, what are the implications for secure erasure of these drives? Before we could just open the drives and smash the platters if you wanted to be really paranoid. Now, do we have to make sure we find all the flash chips and ensure each one of them is destroyed? Are there other implications because of this flash memory for secure erase utilities?

    If your hard drive dies and you don't have a backup, I have very little sympathy for you. You should know better. Especially anyone reading slashdot. Let's get back to our NSA fearing roots and talk about how to protect ourselves with the latest in encryption technology. ;-)

  3. Re:Honk! Honk! by Aardpig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to recall hearing that US spy planes have a special 'eraser' built into onboard HDDs, that behave like arc welders. Turn it on, and within less than a second the platters are completely slagged.

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  4. Re:Honk! Honk! by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While it is true that the data can be recovered after multiple passes, what most folks forget to mention is the level of effort required to recover such data.

    Think hanging chads, but on a much larger scale.

    You get to pull the disks, and start walking them with an electron microsocope looking for the 'residual' images. Then you get to make a guess as to the 'bit' being a 1 or a 0. Then you get to start assembling a filesystem on top of all of that.

    Yes, it is possible, but it would take a very, very long time.

    Generally speaking, overwriting the data _once_ is enough to tormet your local law enforcement agency. The level of effort required is just too much for them to deal with the issue given the other things that they need to do. (rumor has it that in the old days they could just modify the firmware to shift the drive heads over a touch, but that trick does not appear to work as much with newer drives since there is not much space between tracks anymore)

    The reason that the Military/NSA/FBI/CIA want to actually destroy the disks is because even though it is _difficult_, it is still _possible_ to recover the data.

    Please note that for this to work, you must overwrite the actual sectors on the disk (aka "wipe"), not just blow away the metadata (aka "delete")

  5. Re:Honk! Honk! by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    when i was in US Army Europe the intel guys would take the HD's out of their PC's when it was time to toss them and open them up and scrub the platters with brillo or some other wire brush to destroy the platter. The PC's would then get turned in via usuall channels.

    For monitors if you wanted to process classified info it was a whole lot of paperwork because with the old CRT's you can read what is on the screen from like 3 blocks away just by the radiation they put out. ditto with Cat5. if you had a classified laptop you would have a short cat5 to a special encryption device, then cat5 out to the datacenter downstairs which had the same encryption device and then it would run out to the servers. NSA said you could read cat5 traffic from like 3 blocks away as well

  6. Re:Honk! Honk! by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You are wrong, in fact the small feature size of modern HDD's actually makes it easier in some cases as the smaller magnetic domains are harder to flip so even small changes in alignment will mean that recoverable data will be left behind.

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  7. Datarecovery of SSD drives. by rew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work for www.harddisk-recovery.com .

    We will gladly reverse engineer the data-distribution algorithms that the SSD device uses on a case-by-case basis. We have done so in the past for several different USB sticks. We will desolder and read the individual data-holding chips and then reverse engineer their scrambling algorithms. We will then recover your data from whatever chips still work sufficiently to provide us with some data.

    The first time this will take us a few days extra. Expect about a week turnaround time the first time anyone sends us a failed SSD disk.....

  8. Re:Honk! Honk! by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I figure the requirements for a 21 pass overwrite scheme is still a requirement for sanitizing government drives for a reason.

    Is it overkill? Certainly. But apparently 3 passes isn't considered enough.

    Now, a simple overwrite is considered sufficient for flash, so we do have some standards.

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  9. Re:not impossible by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    where the data was overwritten, and then melted with thermite.


    WHAT?!!!! I'm hoping I'm parsing your sentence incorrectly because any hard drive subjected to thermite becomes nothing but a puddle of molten then solidified metal.

    What I'm hoping you meant to say was that even though the hard drives in our surveillance plane had been subjected to thermite, parts of the drives remained intact enough so the data on the unmelted parts could be retrieved despite the data also having been overwritten.

    Allow/Deny?

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  10. fire insufficient in and of itself... by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having operated a makeshift incinerator a few times, I have to point out that fire can be insufficient in and of itself.

    I've actually held bits of ash with legible writing still on it. I was burning old checks for my parents.

    I wouldn't count it destroyed until the ashes are stirred well.

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  11. the effect of wear-levelling on recoverability? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, so the new wear-levelling ability of SSDs, (where if it cannot write to a block/bit/whatever, it marks that as bad and writes somewhere else), brings a question to mind:

    Let's say you have had your SSD for awhile, and some data is in areas that subsequently get marked as 'bad'. You 'format' your SSD clean, but does the format change those marked-bad bits? If not, just because they cannot be written to, doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't be READ from by some utility that ignores the marked-bad flags, in theory. So, is it possible for an SSD to have data recoverable from 'marked bad' areas, that might even pass a format/multi-write randomizing utility? Something to think about. Hopefully someone knows the answer...

  12. Re:Honk! Honk! by nasor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And perhaps more importantly, there are currently no established forensic procedures for recovering data that has been overwritten. Police can't just use any random forensic procedure that they feel like - only certain established procedures can be used, and at present no such procedure exits. Which means that even if it were physically possible for the police to do it, the resulting evidence would almost surely be inadmissable in court. The NSA might take an electron microscope to your hard drive if they think you have the plans for China's new invisible tank on it or something, but in general the police won't be able to do a thing.

  13. Re:Honk! Honk! by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Then you get to make a guess as to the 'bit' being a 1 or a 0.

    That's the tricky bit. Any hard drive built in the last ten years or so won't actually write ones and zeros to the disk, but uses something like QAM to pack even more bits per symbol on. Think in terms of one nybble being represented as an analogue value from 0 to 15 - was that 6 really a 6, or is it a faint 7? Or was it a 5 that wasn't particularly strongly erased?

    Overwrite each track once, and the data is gone.