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George Lawrence Photography Revisited

danlor writes "We were all taken aback 4 years ago when someone linked us the history of George Lawrence and his photos of the aftermath of the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake. I personally thought to myself: man, I would love to make one of those cameras. The idea of flying 2,000-pound cameras with kites... Well, someone has actually recreated the feat. They even provide links to get large prints of the original and recreated scenes."

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  1. Recreate? by hcdejong · · Score: 3, Funny

    They forgot one thing: the earthquake...

    1. Re:Recreate? by PrinceAshitaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      They just have to wait a bit.

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    2. Re:Recreate? by baldass_newbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      They forgot one thing: the earthquake...

      I think their server is getting one hell of a simulation right now.
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    3. Re:Recreate? by plnrtrvlr · · Score: 5, Funny

      They forgot the kites too.... That was the most amazing part of the original photographs! Somehow the helicopter doesn't amaze me quite as much.

  2. 2,000 lbs? by Dan100 · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to TFA, the camera weighed only a rather less impressive 46 lbs.

    1. Re:2,000 lbs? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, weird summary. You can't lift 2000lb with a kite. According to wikipedia, the same gentleman was responsible for building the world biggest ever camera at 1400lb so maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

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    2. Re:2,000 lbs? by nagora · · Score: 2, Funny

      The film weighed 1948lbs, dummy!

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    3. Re:2,000 lbs? by Bertie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, I dunno. There's a school of thought that the ancient Egyptians used 'em to raise obelisks. This guy tried it out and got a three-ton obelisk vertical in a few seconds.

  3. Re:Helicopter! by TFer_Atvar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's was my first thought, too, but look at it this way: They used a century-old camera, with the great-grandson of the original photographer in the helicopter, using the exact same lenses and photographic techniques. You might ding them for the helicopter -- I congratulate them for everything else.

  4. Fine Print by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Talk about misleading. Recreated?

    "Although flying kites should be the method of choice, more important is to obtain the correct image. Air space restrictions, and common sense required the use of a helicopter. The new image was shot from the exact location as Lawrence achieved in 1906."

    That is according to the new photographers. I just love their usage of the word "exact". Uh huh. Not to mention a helicopter was used instead of a kite.

    The original page states a 46 pound camera, but the article states 2000 pounds.

    "I'm sure the Mr. Lawrence would have used a helicopter if it had been available. We had a wonderful side trip"

    I don't doubt that. The article is misleading and contradictory, and I did not see what I thought I was going to see. What they accomplished is pretty neat, and certainly good photography, but not groundbreaking or particularly mind blowing.

    I just feel like the ol' bait and switch gag has been played on us

    1. Re:Fine Print by dave420 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They recreated the photos, not the actual taking of the photos.

  5. 2,000 feet, not pounds. by ParnBR · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary is wrong. It defies common sense that someone would be flying a 907kg (2,000lb, for SI-impaired ones) anything on a kite. Actually, the camera had around 21kg (46lb), as stated by TFA. But the kite was flying around 610m (2,000ft) high, and this is where I think the figure came from.

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  6. Re:Coral Cache by Aaron+Isotton · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here are all the important links (I thought coral cache would rewrite the links, but it doesn't): http://www.ronkleinphotos.com.nyud.net/Lawrence.html http://www.ronkleinphotos.com.nyud.net/success.html http://www.ronkleinphotos.com.nyud.net/lawrenceorderform.html Please mod parent redundant.

  7. Coral Cache seems to work by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Links:
    http://www.ronkleinphotos.com.nyud.net:8090/Lawrence.html
    http://www.ronkleinphotos.com.nyud.net:8090/success.html

    PS. Install the Slashdotter extension for Firefox, does the CC links automagically.

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  8. 2000 pounds? by kylegordon · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's nearly a tonne... the article states that the camera is approx 46 pounds. Submitters... please rtfa before submitting. And if you did, then pay attention to it.

    1. Re:2000 pounds? by nagora · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That is a tonne. An imperial tonne that is.

      There's no such thing. An imperial ton is 2240lbs (20 hundred-weight of 8 stone each). The reason for the odd numbers is that measurements grew out of a system for trade which allowed for the weight of barrels. So a hundred-weight of 112lbs was supposed to be 100lbs of actual cargo and 12lbs of packaging.

      The American system discared the packing allowances and so the American "short" ton is 2000lbs.

      TWW

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  9. Next Up by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next recreation: The Battle of Thermopylae, only we'll be using M1 Abrams Tanks instead of Spartans.

  10. Re:FAA. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, and so the 'feat' isn't anything comparable.

  11. lead kite! by ionymous · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not only were the cameras weighing 45+ pounds each, but the kite itself was made of lead!! (See illustration) http://activetectonics.asu.edu/kites/06eq.html

    1. Re:lead kite! by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not only were the cameras weighing 45+ pounds each, but the kite itself was made of lead!! (See illustration) http://activetectonics.asu.edu/kites/06eq.html While your picture refers the leading kite...I don't see how a lead (Pb) would be a problem.

      The MythBusters (production #112, 1/23/2008) have already shown that a lead balloon is quite possible - i think I would have done it slightly differently (by plying together a few layers of the lead foil they used to make a stronger foil surface), but it did work. I see no reason why a Lead (Pb) kite wouldn't be possible either, though certainly not trivial to do. (BTW, their Lead Balloon used Lead Foil and at least what appeared to be Scotch tape filled with a mixture of Helium and Air. They mixed in air because they thought they might get too much lift out of just Helium; which from their results (see the episode) they were 100% right on.)
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  12. kite lifting by garvon · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know the the camera was was not 2000lbs
    but here is a link to show a kite CAN lift more then you think

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkAL1jTojY

  13. It's The Camera by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For all the whining about not using kites, etc., no one has acknowledged the recreation of the camera. They did recreate a century old piece of equipment and used it to take an extremely high quality photo. I went to school from junior high through college with Ron Klein, and I guarantee that he built a meticulous reproduction of the original camera. It wouldn't surprise me if he used 100 year old brass screws to put the thing together. Let's give some props to some extremely cool retro-tech work instead of bashing it.

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