The Notable Improvements of GNOME 2.22
Michael Larabel writes "Phoronix has up a list compiling eight of the most interesting improvements on track for GNOME 2.22. These improvements include the Epiphany browser switching to the WebKit back-end, transition effects inside the Evince document viewer, a new GNOME application for taking photos and recording videos from web cameras followed by applying special effects, a mouse tweaking module for improved accessibility, and a new GNOME VNC client. On the multimedia end, GNOME 2.22 has a few new features appended to the Totem movie player and the Rhythmbox player. Totem can now search and play YouTube videos and connect to a MythTV server and watch past recordings or view live TV. Rhythmbox now can utilize FM radio tuners, integration with new lyric sites, improved Podcast feed support, and even has support for communicating with newer Sony PSPs. There will also be a standalone Flash player and flash previewing support from the file browser in this release."
I wonder if the move to WebKit for the rendering engine used by Epiphany will prompt other GNOME projects to transition from the various gtkhtml versions that are currently used. The maintenance of gtkhtml seems to be sporadic, and the API changes drastically between versions. For example, on a Fedora 8 install at work there's two versions of the gtkhtml library required by different apps in the basic GNOME desktop ...
The main reason I like gnome is that its a fast window manager with a low cruft index. This looks to me like Gnome trying too hard, and adding too many capabilities to what is, so far as I understand it, just a window manager. Why, for example include vnc? It's not like seperate client/servers for this task aren't available, and most are pretty good.
Is all this new stuff going to slow it down, that's the thing that interests me. If the team have too many things to maintain, just how good a job can they do?
AFAIK, the KDE team is also switching to Apple's fork of KHTML, WebKit.
KHTML is very good of course, but it wouldn't make sense to switch to an engine that's going to be made obolete soon.
Just encouraged me to switch to XFCE...
And people say there should be a single desktop...
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I used to. And my Gnome using friends that I've talked into trying it still use it.
Compared to Firefox, it's prettier (if you think "fancy colors and icons" is more important than "consistent", you'll disagree), is much better integrated into Gnome, has much nicer "search engine support" (type in the address field, and your installed search engines are at the end of the auto complete list - please, someone, give me a firefox extension for that!), and has a quite nice tag based bookmarking system which can be synchronized with del.icio.us or ma.gnolia.com. All of that, and just a fraction of the memory of Firefox.
I stopped using it approximately the same time as they switched backend, and now use Firefox 3 instead - it doesn't swallow all memory (only almost all), and it actually looks more integrated into Gnome, than Epiphany with a Gecko backend (the times I tried Epiphany/Webkit, it didn't really work yet) since it's not only has a native theme, it also has native form controls (which Epiphany/Webkit apparently has too, but not Epiphany/Gecko). It also works with Online Desktop, and has the famous extensions, which makes up for the other downsides of not using Epiphany.
In other words: people are actually using Epiphany, but I don't think they will for long.
my pet peevee with _any_ GTK based app is the filechooser.
it's ugly and far from intuitive.
there's a wrapper aplication that allows some GTK apps use KDE's filechooser, but it doesn't work with everyting.
if GTK developers really don't wan't to fix this, could they at least put something to allow the use of KDE's dialogs when the app is not running under gnome ?
BTW, the wrapper is here: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
What ? Me, worry ?
Epiphany is a good browser. I started using it a while ago because I found that it didn't lock up when browsing Slashdot whilst Firefox 2 did (both on Ubuntu platform). I've recently ended up using Konqueror as I have a Kubuntu install this time round and I find it similarly faster than Firefox.The odd thing is, I didn't have any extensions in Firefox at the time, either. Anyway - Epiphany is very good and I suspect quite a lot of Gnome users use it.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
For the proverbial 'year of the Linux desktop' this is the sort of thing that we need. The flashy stuff might not matter to the slashdot crowd but to the average joe, the cosmetic improvements itself would be a reason to consider linux. We just had that article about better designed GUI's rating over better functioning programs, looks like the Gnome developers have taken that to heart.
Was going to mod you up, but I'll reply instead (sorry!).
/usr/local? Well, go to "File System" first so you can then access your root.
I completely agree.
The GNOME filechooser is an abomination. It is one of the reasons that Linus Torvalds uses KDE, and the reason that no sane person will touch GNOME.
1. COMPLETELY unintuitive (and difficult to get used to) initial layout. Instead of having an area with the file name that you can type in, there is simply a three-panel directory. What happens if you start typing? Some weird mystery box appears that is right on top of your filter dialog, which is unlabeled!
Want to type part of the filename? Go ahead, but as soon as you make a selection to change to a different directory, it is gone! What's more, if you were in a Save dialog, the default value is now gone forever.
2. The CANCEL and OK buttons are reversed from almost all other GUIs. Cancel to the left? Cancel above OK? What???
3. Windows-like distrust of any other directories other than your home. Want to save something in
Numerous other issues (resize behavior -- the whole dialog moves if you change file type), etc. prevent me from using this, EVER.
For those linux readers using firefox, a simple fix is to go to about:config and change ui.allow.platform.filepicker to FALSE. Do it now, for your own sanity.
Slashdotter, ID #101. UIDs are in binary, right?
I have to agree. I don't like to diss open source products, but man, out of several years of using Gnome I just haven't ever had a good thing to say about Totem.
But an interesting anecdote is that my flatmate recently converted to Linux. He was a Windows "power user", not afraid of getting into any aspect of the system, and he's the same now with Linux. And he is actually completely satisfied by Totem. "But don't you find that it never plays anything properly, ever?" I asked him. "Nope, it plays everything I throw at it" he tells me. I've seen it too. Weird how experiences can vary so much.
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Yeah, epiphany is great. Much faster and more stable than firefox, plus it has native widgets instead of XUL. It's support for extensions is not as good, so I still use firefox when I need Firebug, but 99% of the time I'm in epiphany.
Best browser I've ever used. Does tabs better than Firefox, smart bookmarks better than Firefox, starts faster than Firefox, uses less RAM. I don't need any of the numerous Firefox plug ins so Epiphany is fine. It also fits well in other desktop environments (I use Xfce). A brilliant web browser imo.
Any chance that they've removed the dependency on Microsoft's patented .NET technologies via Mono?
(Yes, I know you can manually remove bits of the Gnome environment to get rid of Mono; but the Gnome environment by default includes Mono.)
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"In order to use the WebKit backend, Epiphany must be built with the --with-engine=webkit argument."
That sounds more like WebKit is available, as an option, if you are compiling from source, than "switching" to me...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
That's what I originally liked about galeon. I haven't tried either versions after one of the galeon developers left and started epiphany.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
One thing I haven't seen listed here is the rewrite of the GDM. While the core GDM is being rewritten it will not be included with Gnome 2.22 in Ubuntu, Mandriva, and Gentoo. These three main stream distributions have already stated in the GDM mail list that they will stay with the 2.20 version of GDM.
The reasons stated for these distributions not including the 2.22 GDM are configuration issues, lack of a themed login, GDM Configuration tool and lack of testing. While many areas of Gnome are receiving improvements the GDM is one of those areas where there is a significant enough degradation that distros are not including it.
The new version of the GDM may be several release versions away and ultimately be less functional than the current version. I don't necessarily call that an improvement.
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Nothing like as bad as you make out.
:-)
What happens if you start typing is not "a mystery" but simply type ahead.
I just tried it - I have a file on my desktop called test.txt.
I open the chooser dialog in Firefox. I type 'de' and desktop is now highlighted. The mystery box is showing you what you have typed so far. I hit enter to go into desktop, then type te and test.txt is highlighted. I hit enter to open it.
And if i try it a second time it remembers where i was last so now just "ctrl-o te enter" and i have opened that file again.
really fast, really good - you just haven't tried it properly, mate
I know I'm being unfair that way - I tried to make it clear what versions I was comparing, but you're right. The comparison is unfair.
But the thing is, I don't think either Epiphany/Gecko 1.9 or Epiphany/Webkit will be That much of a difference to existing Epiphany. It will render more sites better, and with less resource use. I don't feel very excited. I mentioned a bunch of advantages of Firefox 3 in the GP post.
The thing is, Firefox 2 is quite crap, Epiphany 2.20 is mostly great, and Firefox 3 is quite good. Fancy extensions can't turn crap into something great. Fancy extensions can turn something good into something great, though. The only reason I started using Firefox again was because I wrote webpages and needed to access Firebug, and eventually, I just didn't feel like restarting the browser anymore. I could probably code that search engine extension myself - I've played a bit with creating Firefox extensions, and it's quite easy to rewrite the entire UI. On the other hand, I still haven't found a way to make Epiphany's tabs shrink, which annoys the hell out of me.
Firefox 3 is, in my opinion, simply Good Enough to make Epiphany pointless. But I'm probably, and hopefully, wrong.
What I don't get with the VAST majority (I'd say "all", but there may be an exception I don't know about) is why clicking on a spot in the "progress bar" for a video or song doesn't take me to exactly the spot. The seeker just jumps forward or backward a little in that direction. I can take it and DRAG it to the exact spot, but it won't jump there on a click.
:() an I'll be tickled pink.
:).
This aggravates me to no end. Quicktime on my Mac gets it right. Windows Media Player even gets it right (though I instead use Media Player Classic on Windows, but it does it right too). I'm not even asking for this to be default behaviour - but for all the touted "customizability" of Linux apps, I sure as hell would like a little checkmark to enable this behavior somewhere in the program.
I've STILL not found a media player on Linux that I really like. Media Player Classic is the pinnacle of video player for me, but really all I want is a window, plays video, seek bar that goes to the location that I tell it, and I want my controls part of the same window as the video (I'll go full screen if I want to hide them). Get me that packaged into a program that doesn't crash when I play videos (a la VLC playing any WMV video on Mac
Rant off
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
I find it hard to understand why someone who likes C would then dislike C++ enough to base a toolkit decision on that, especially given the quirky C required for Gtk+, but that aside...
There are, in fact, Qt bindings for C, Objective C, Ruby, Java and many other languages. (QtPython is probably the most widely used.) I'm not sure why you think it's so much more difficult to write bindings for a C++-based API.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I am a GNOME user. And I like it. It's all good. With one exception: the "File Roller" application, which is used to examine archives.
Using it is basically a chore. You open it up, and you get a list of files. So, you think, it's just a matter of dragging those files into a directory you want, and it'll extract them there. Oh no. Total rejection. So you click on "extract," and if you're already in the directory you want to extract those files into, you have to leave that directory, and then re-enter it, before the OK type button (it's also called "extract") actually does anything.
I'm very lazy. I don't want to have to open a terminal window, navigate to the necessary directory, and run tar or whatever in order to get at my files. File Roller makes me do that due to its problems of usability. I suppose I could try looking for something that integrates with GNOME better, but this is part of the package, it should already be integrated.
How dare you be so modest!! You conceited bastard!!
a gconf-tool now there's a great user-friendly interface.
a registry on linux! yay!
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Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
Maybe because he's used them. As somebody who was written (and maintained) large programs in both PyGTK and PyQt, I must say that these projects are a great argument in favor of using plain C.
The PyGTK project, for the past several years, has released an update to its bindings within a month of the corresponding GTK+ library. PyQt's last version lagged by about a year. (Not a good sign.) Long after the Qt people had gone to Qt 4.0, we were stuck with PyQt for Qt 3.3, because that's the latest stable release. (It was even hard to get PyQt fixes, because the few PyQt developers spent almost all of their time trying to get PyQt 4 out the door.)
PyGTK has always done just what I expected it to. In PyQt, we always seemed to have trouble with object lifetimes. Qt tried to be just a bit too clever with C++ destructors and object lifetimes and such, and it just didn't translate into HLLs. Between this, and needing to pass C++ method signatures (as a string!) to signal handlers, you really had to write C++-in-Python. It's not really possible to write PyQt code without constantly thinking about the C++ layer. In GTK, I never thought about C: I just wrote Python with a Python GUI library.
I also find the phrase "quirky C required for Gtk+" funny. The C used by GTK+ has always seemed perfectly normal to me. If you want quirky, take a look at the "meta-object compiler" (yet another preprocessor!) that Qt's C++ uses.
I use epiphany daily and find it much better designed than FF2 or even FF3 betas.
The killer feature in Epiphany for me is its tag-based bookmarking system. They really got it right. Places in FF3 is an attempt to catch-up, but it still has a long way to go.
I also like that URL and search box are the same thing in Epiphany. When I remember URL, I enter URL, when I want to search, I enter search request. Creating a "Smart bookmark" in Epiphany is much faster and easier than packing search engine plugin in FF. Thanks to this feature, my Epiphany is much better integrated with the sites I use.
What else? Epiphany starts faster and is more resonsive, its fonts are OK by default like in all GNOME applications (no need to tweak them like in FF), it respects GNOME settings. It is not bloated. Punto.
Earlier I lacked good adblocking extension for Epiphany. Nowdays it covers my needs. I know not all FF greasemonkey scripts work in Epiphany, but the only one I use on Flickr works well.
P.S. I still use gecko engine. I tried webkit-based engine, but found it not-ready-for-daily-use-yet. Probably it's gotten better today. Fortunately, switching rendering engines in modern Epiphany is easy for the end-user.