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Artificial Bases Added to DNA

holy_calamity writes "Researchers have successfully added two 'unnatural' DNA letters to the code of life. They created two artificial base pairs that are treated as normal by an enzyme that replicates and fixes DNA inside cells. This raises the prospect of engineering life forms with genetic code not possible within nature, allowing new kinds of genetic engineering."

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  1. I, for one... by Kagura · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your artificial base are belong to these researchers.

  2. Let me guess by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

    Researchers from KFC (tm) ?

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    1. Re:Let me guess by Jumphard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kentucky Fried Cytosine?

  3. On the topic of "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it that every single article that references any scientific development in the fields of genetics or molecular biology gets the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag on Slashdot? What does this say about our society, since Slashdot members tend to represent the more educated and successful members to begin with? Have we really become such fat lazy luddites that we will reject anything we do not understand, on the basis of an infinitesmally-small risk to our (relatively) decadent and luxurious life?

    Do we really only perceive biologists as madmen who want to do evil experients for the heck of it? I've seen this trend spiral out of control, and frankly, I am ASHAMED.

    1. Re:On the topic of "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, in other words--lighten up, man. Not everything's serious.

      I'm seriously annoyed about the tags. I've been a frequent Slashdot contributer for 10 years and for some fucking reason not only can I not moderate, I cannot add tags. Why the fuck not? I'm good enough to continuously post comments that the other moderators feel are worth of +5 Foo but the "editors" don't feel I'm worthy of bestowing that or tags for others to see?

      Personally, I find the majority of tags being used are pointless (like the one referenced above). They need to stop fucking around with the ability to moderate and tag content or do away with it all together -- especially for those that really deserve it.

    2. Re:On the topic of "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" by gnick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do we really only perceive biologists as madmen who want to do evil experients [sic] for the heck of it? No. But, even though I think that it's enormously cool what these folks did, the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag seems appropriate here. While reading TFA, I couldn't help but think: "Scientists have created an unnatural but successfully replicating new genetic code? Did we just re-invent cancer?" Followed soon after by: "Cool!"
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    3. Re:On the topic of "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" by dmatos · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's going to happen if I do tell her? Is she going to create some kind of intelligent ape-bear hybrid with poisonous claws and send it to tear you to pieces?

      Cool.

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    4. Re:On the topic of "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" by riseoftheindividual · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, you are buying into to all the anti-science propaganda.

      No, in other words he's being a rational open minded person who isn't treating science like a holy can't-do-no-wrong religion. The second you stop questioning the possible ramifications of any given advance, is the second you become an unthinking true believer.

      Wouldn't it have been nice if someone way back would have stopped and asked "what could possibly go wrong" when they began exploiting crude oil? Or we could go down the list of medications that have been pulled off the market by the FDA because "what could possibly go wrong" wasn't a question seriously considered early on.

      Few people here who tag it are even being serious in the first place, but in humor there is terrible truth and the terrible truth is, we have to be very careful how we proceed with new developments and technologies and it needs to be done with the recognition that they can and often have had unintended consequences. That's not anti-science or irrational, that's being a realist.

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  4. New movie by topherhenk · · Score: 4, Funny
    They can now finally make the sequel to Gattaca:

    Sagtacy.

  5. I love optimism by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they manage to build a pair of molecules that can be sucessfully copied when put in a DNA helix, that's something worth publishing in a biochemistery journal, but I don't see how those new molecules could be interpreted by the cell to build new man-designed proteins. Wouldn't it be easier to use man-designed regular DNA sequences that the cell know how to interpret?

    1. Re:I love optimism by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they were reliably ignored, they'de be useful, too - as a marker. It'd work a bit like a watermark: The resulting DNA does the same but can be identified through the marker bases.

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  6. engineer tougher DNA by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could be really useful in the long-term: if we could substitute replacement codons that work with most of our existing DNA, it's one step to building really tough DNA. Right now, there are a lot of damage mechanisms like adjacent thymines linking resulting from exposure to chemicals or shortwave radiation, and replacement codons engineered to not be suseptible to these could make, say, protracted exposure to radiation outside the Earth's protective atmosphere more viable. Of course, then we'd have to engineer a whole set of enzymes to synthesize those new codons, which is an extremely hard project, but finding things that work as replacement base pairs, now, gives us time to study how they might fail and figure out what the best candidates are.

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  7. Re:Furries by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    I eagerly await proper human-animal hybrids, albeit only for the opportunity to make a joke about the right to bear arms.

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  8. DNA researchers get to "Second Base" pair by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...sounds like they're making some kind of social progress.

  9. In a word ... Yes by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Biologists aren't evil per say, but they will do almost anything for a grant;) Also keep in mind Risks can only be know with a large sample base. We don't know what the effect any drug is going to be on humans until we test it on statistically large enough groups. The same applies with these type of experiments. The tag is, for me just a reminder that we need to make sure that the proper ethical guidelines are followed and enough experimentation has been done to ensure that we have not invented a new courage for humans or organisms that we care about.

    To put it in terms more slashdotters will understand: you don't add new code to a production system with out figuring out ahead of time what could possibly go wrong.

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  10. Rational FUD vs. irrational FUD by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a place for fear, uncertainty, and doubt when it comes to new science and new technology. Let me rephrase that: There is a place for respect for and investigation of the unknown when it comes to new science and new technology.

    Take nanotechnology for example. There is no place for sky-is-falling panic over "new asbestosis" and other possibilities, but researchers seriously should look into things like this to put a real, hard, risk assessment on these possibilities. Let's suppose that by 2015 there will be X amount of this or that nanotech in use. What can we predict about the rate of lung disease and how much, if any, of this will be attributable to nanotech? Is this amount acceptable? If not, what if anything can or should be done to reduce the risk?

    Likewise, people doing research in genetic engineering, particularly with totally novel life forms, need to ask themselves "what could possibly go wrong," "what is the likelihood of that happening," "how can the risk be reduced or mitigated," and "should we go to the effort to reduce or mitigate the risk." In many cases, the risk is low, the consequences are minor, and/or the cost of mitigation or prevention is high and the logical choice is to accept the new technology and live with the acceptable risks.

    In other cases, the risk is high, the consequences are dire, and/or the cost of mitigation or prevention is low and it makes sense to prevent or mitigate the risks.

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  11. The Audience is a Harsh Mistress by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real question is when did the slashdot audience turn to such un-comical jackasses who feel the need to take everything so seriously? I get it, you're well off, you like science, you like to stay on slashdot because in your opinion it represents the more "successful" members of society. But then, maybe you're just an arrogant prick, and maybe we're just having fun. I think the real problem here, as Mannie taught Mike, is the difference between "Funny," "Not Funny," and "Funny Once." Like much geek humor, it seems that all the humor in the use of the tag on this article come from mindless repetition, and the joke has officially been beaten into the ground.

    Plus, let's face it -- there are articles where the tag is wonderfully appropriate as ironic snark, but this one isn't it. I mean, it's great for articles like this one about mass production of micro fission reactors or this one about the proposed future of military robots. Sometimes, it's funny when the very proposition of something going wrong is itself funny like with an article on a robot controlled by a monkey's brain.

    However, dangers and recklessness involved in this project are next to nil. There's no irony and clever cynicism here. There's just the mindless misapplication of an overdone meme in a manner that makes Slashdot look like a bunch of technology fearing idiots. So yeah. While I don't think it's worth getting so worked up about, it is a stupidly applied tag and a failed attempt at humor.
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    1. Re:The Audience is a Harsh Mistress by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, dangers and recklessness involved in this project are next to nil.

      So there is absolutely zero danger of such artifical DNA escaping the lab and getting into the environment cause goodness knows what damage? I can accept that this danger will be minimal but you would have to do some convincing to suggest that it is zero. For a start the new base pair were generated by trying many different random combinations until they found one that replicated. Clearly this suggests that they do not know exactly what this random combination will do when added to a cell, particularly since this is there next research project!

      The usual best defence against "what could possibly go wrong" is to say that this already happens in nature so it can't be dangerous. This is the main argument we use against the nay-sayers of the LHC creating a black hole which will swallow the Earth. Cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere are far more energetic and so if that were a danger we would not be here to discuss it! However the whole point of this experiment is to create something which nature has not done before (to our knowledge).

      So the only argument I can see which is left is that the safe guards in effect to prevent this getting into the environment are so good that the risk is minimal and/or the chance that this new DNA pair creating a dangerous organism are zero. Since nobody knows what this pair will do yet I can't see how you can be certain of the latter (although I accept the risk may be incredibly small) and no containment procedure is fool proof since it involves humans (e.g. foot and mouth virus escape last year from a UK lab).

      So the question we have to ask is whether the value of the research is worth the risk? As a scientist, though not a biologist, I would be inclined to say yes since it seems that this will help you guys understand some of the fundamentals of DNA plus it sounds really cool. Of course I'm a physicist so there may well be some very valid reason I know nothing about as to why there is no danger at all. So the best way to educate me is to explain why there is zero risk. Telling me that I'm stupid for even questioning that something could possibly go wrong, without telling me why I'm stupid, does not inspire confidence!

  12. Not possible in nature? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This raises the prospect of engineering life forms with genetic code not possible within nature It seems to me that if these life forms are viable, then this genetic code is possible in nature, it simply may not be known to exist.
  13. Re:MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your reference to 'the moderators' as if they are some secret organisation with a nefarious agenda is clueless. Moderators are randomly selected readers acting independently who when posting comments or meta-moderating have managed to act objectively and with restraint, or at least have had the sense to post anonymously when trolling. The GPs attitude, even the fact that he is whining about not getting points, probably reflects the reason he doesn't get points.

  14. Re:MOD PARENT UP! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your reference to 'the moderators' as if they are some secret organisation with a nefarious agenda is clueless.

    Well done, boy. Our secret is safe again. You will be rewarded by our leadership. B-)