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DoJ Extends Microsoft Oversight for Two Years

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "The US Department of Justice has extended its anti-trust oversight of Microsoft by two years. This only applies to the requirement that Microsoft make protocol documentation available to competitors, though. All of the other requirements have expired, and Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly did not give the states complaining the full five years of oversight they requested. Still, this should prove useful given that one of Microsoft's new tricks is to use OOXML extensions to tie businesses to Sharepoint."

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  1. Toothless and Pointless by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point? The DoJ has achieved less real change in the past decade than the EU has achieved in past two years.

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    1. Re:Toothless and Pointless by infonography · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the point? The DoJ has achieved less real change in the past decade than the EU has achieved in past two years. No, the economy and a really terrible flagship product (Vista) have castrated them already. Linux in spite of it's Fanboys has really started to take root as an option.

      Remember that most of the people currently buying computers these days don't know what the black stuff on Bill Gates' Icon is about.
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  2. I dunno... by greenguy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I consider anyone still using Microsoft, and OOXML in particular, to be making a major oversight.

    Of course, among people I know, that's almost as many now as it ever was. *Sigh...*

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    1. Re:I dunno... by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Microsoft make lots of very good products, it's not fair to bag them on -everything-

      sql server is a great product, and is certainly better then everything else in the opensource world aside from postgresql (i've used both extensively) and even then sql server trumps pg in many areas. like wise with access, say what you will about it but i don't see any OSS project that's even close to it.

      many of the developer tools MS puts out are top notch as well, something OSS is still 10 years behind on - easy to use gui development, and i say that as someone who programmed in wxpython for 2 years solid on both windows and freebsd, and has since moved to a windows shop. no doubt there will be some out their who will equate this with VB programmers and the usual snobbery, but the truth is i can put together a windows apps many times faster and just as robust as anything currently out there int he linux world.

      for OSS to move forward, they need to drop the stupid ego trip and look at what MS do RIGHT, or OSS will always be the poor mans 2nd choice.

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    2. Re:I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Fucking Redmond Fanboy... How much did Bill pay you for that post?

  3. In other news.... by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a rare "double-whammy" decision, the DOJ has ordered Steve Ballmer and Darl MacBride to co-produce (and star in) a feature length film entitled "2 CEOs, 1 Cup"... MacBride couldn't be reached for comment, but Ballmer was heard saying: "No problem. Bill has been preparing me for this for years".

    Seriously, though. Why does the DOJ seem so toothless when it comes to corporations or the ultra-wealthy, yet act like right-stomping psychopaths for small players (to the point of waffling on definitions of torture, or weaseling around the constitution)? How could it be anything but corruption?

  4. BS in TFA by peektwice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The relevance of the consent decree sanctions is somewhat questionable under current market conditions. TFA gives evidence to the dominance of Google in the search arena, Apple's up-and-coming market share, and Firefox's also blossoming market share. However, what they're missing is that Microsoft still holds a heavily dominant position in the O/S market and an equally dominant market position in the office applications market. I call BS.
    It is clear to me that the sanctions are still relevant. What is not clear to me is how the consent decree is going to change anything, since TFA also states that "protocol specifications" were supposed to be released in 2003, and still haven't been fully released.
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  5. Incompetence? by PineHall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it incompetence that caused Microsoft not to get the protocol specifications documented? If that is the case Microsoft is in big trouble. Or they are illegally going slow. Either way Microsoft should be in big trouble. I think the judge needs to wake up.

  6. Re:oblig Ubuntu reference by Ajehals · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It depends what you are looking at.

    Many businesses, especially small to medium businesses have very minimal IT requirements, mail, web access and general administrative tasks. If you go the windows route that basic set up is quite expensive, prone to issues, inflexible and it will probably require more in the way of maintenance than a well configured FOSS based alternative. Many businesses have huge numbers of call centre seats that in effect need a web browser and possibly a very minimal agent application, with maybe one in 20 users requiring a spreadsheet application or a word-processor (Oh and they like to hot-seat), again, it doesn't have to be complex, and again its probably a better solution to use FOSS here too.

    The truth is that for most people a non MS OS would probably do, we can both list things that are non-trivial to achieve, or possibly even impossible (running certain applications), without Windows, which is all well and good, but it is true to say that there is a large base of companies who could live without windows at all or with a mixed environment.

    I'm not saying that FOSS is only suitable for small organisations, because that is not true, there is some extremely capable stuff out there, I would certainly say that there is an awful lot that is possible using FOSS that is either impossible with Windows, or prohibitively expensive, the problem as always is the fact that most businesses are entrenched in one technology or another and would find it extremely difficult to get out of it.

    Anyway, this posted at a silly time in the morning, and I'm tired so excuse any rambling / grammatical errors or typo's.

    Cheers.

  7. Re:Thats nice and all. by rohan972 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As I understand it, the courts don't aim to make them "not a monopoly", they aim to prevent them abusing that position to prevent competition.

  8. Re:The Geek in Fantasyland by Divebus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interestingly, since Windows Vista became generally available one year ago, Microsoft's client business has grown more than 20% and sales of Windows Vista have now surpassed 100 million licenses. Fishy math, there. Apple has jumped several percentage points in that same year, and some Major PC vendors are now shipping Linux machines in broad daylight. I know more people running Leopard than Vista and they only sold a few million of those so far. Where's the Vista? Are they counting all the machines returned to the vendor or reverted to XP? Something funny going on here.
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  9. Relax and have some patience. by joeytmann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think in the grand scheme of things, MS'es monopolistic practices are hardly anything to be concerned with. There is a lot more competition out there than you think. MS just has a better marketing machine to keep their motor running. While there is obvious concern on the part of the DoJ, they are doing just enough to keep the judge from getting too pissed. Usually in cases of monopolistic companies, resolutions take many years to resolve fully. The Bell phone company case took about 10 years to finalize. Standard Oil I believe was even longer, and RJ Reynolds Tobacco....not sure how long that took since it was well over a hundred years ago. So, in other words, stopy crying and complaining and have some patience.

    I said it once and I will say it again, with out MS most of us tech-geeks wouldn't have a job/hobby/whatever, and I bet there is not a lot of us that can say "I have never-ever used an MS product".

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  10. Re:Thats nice and all. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just think the effect of the courts remedies does little to nothing to solve the problem. They aren't nearly as effective as the TB vaccine ( 80%). I think the main effect of the court action is similar to most civil court cases: little changes except the lawyer's bank accounts. I think firefox has proved that real competition has more effect than any court case.

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