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Fourth Undersea Cable Taken Offline In Less Than a Week

An anonymous reader writes "Another undersea cable was taken offline on Friday, this one connecting Qatar and UAE. 'The [outage] caused major problems for internet users in Qatar over the weekend, but Qtel's loss of capacity has been kept below 40% thanks to what the telecom said was a large number of alternative routes for transmission. It is not yet clear how badly telecom and internet services have been affected in the UAE.' In related news it's been confirmed that the two cables near Egypt were not cut by ship anchors." Update: 02/04 07:13 GMT by Z : A commenter notes that despite the language in the article indicated a break or malfunction, the cable wasn't cut. It was taken offline due to power issues.

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  1. Re:Cue... by dattaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well the Pentagon has recently declared the internet as an enemy weapons system.

  2. Re:Cue... by J'raxis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be political suicide indeed, for a politician to start a war shortly before an election -- in which he was running. Bush isn't.

  3. Cable Not Cut; Cable Merely 'Damaged' by n+dot+l · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The entire sentence you quoted from is:

    The cause of damage is not yet known, but ArabianBusiness.com has been told unofficially the problem is related to the power system and not the result of a ship's anchor cutting the cable, as is thought to be the case in the other three incidents. So it's really a question of what "damage" means in this case. Are we talking about a mundane problem that happens on a regular basis (which was only reported due to all the other links going down at around the same time) or did a component that almost never fails suddenly break down under mysterious circumstances?

    Not to run against the whole "this could mean only one thing" meme, but I think it's just as likely that some old hardware sitting at the ends of that cable got stressed past its breaking point because having the other links down finally pushed it past its limits.
  4. Also in terms of any intelligence related action by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last thing you want to do is alert the enemy that they have a potential problem and give them time to fix it. For example suppose you discovered that all military telephones were routed through a single building in a country you were going to attack. The system was supposed to have some redundancy, but they didn't know that it ends up all relying on the one centre. So what you do then is hit it coinciding with the start of your attack. Suddenly, all their communications are down and they are being attacked. Makes it hard to deal with either.

    What you don't do is send in some guy to much with it, take their communications down, then do nothing, then still do nothing as they fix it and start to work on alleviating the problem in the future. That is even less useful than just leaving it alone.

    As a precursor to military action, something like this makes sense only if idiots are running the show. Not only is it going to do no real good (who gives a shit if civilians can't get on the Internet? It is the internal military links that are the issue) but it makes it less likely that any sort of complete blackout would be achieved. I guarantee the companies involved in this aren't just going to fix the cable and go "Ok well that'll probably never happen again." They are going to try and figure out why this happened, and what can be done to prevent it.

  5. Re:Cue... by McFadden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, but the Republican party still wants a chance at this election. If another war was started, it would guarantee a Democrat victory.
    The Neocons aren't Republicans by any definition of the term. They are a group of ultra-right extremists who have hijacked the Republican Party as a suitable vehicle to advance their cause. I don't think they care about what happens to the Republican Party - they're just hell-bent on carrying out as much of their destructive agenda as they can before Bush gets booted out, or (as some are predicting, although I don't believe it will happen) they declare martial law.
  6. Re:Cue... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Says who? The press? Ahmadinedschad? Remember that the former want to sell and the latter is a politician. It's popular in the Iran to bash the US, so he's bashing. And, lo and behold, he gets elected. Look around yourself and notice that this works all over the globe. No, not US bashing. But looking for an external foe to distract from internal problems.

    Politicians rarely tell you their point of view, or what they are really going to do. They tell you what you want to hear. Can you point me to any Iranian actions that support a "threat" scenario? I don't care for politicians' words anymore, usually it's opinion making and swaying, but little if any substance.

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  7. Re:Cue... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are not failed attempts--these are diversions. It is hard to splice in without intercepting service, so the purpose of these is to make a splice further down the line indetectable. The splice goes in while service is out, then the diversion cuts are repaired and no one is the wiser.

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  8. Re:Cue... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Operation Just Cause
    Operation Desert Storm
    Operation Urgent Fury

    History rarely remembers the successful campaigns. Mostly, we remember the screw-ups. Unfortunately, the brass remembers it the other way around.

  9. Re:Cue... by fredklein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea is, you cut the cable at point 'A', and make it look like it was an accident (ship anchor, etc). Then, before they fix the cable, you trot on down the cable a few (tens of) miles to point 'B' and cut the cable there, too. But now you splice in a repeater that copies everything sent over that cable and sends it ...to you! When the cable is fixed at the original spot, comm traffic starts up, and no one is the wiser.

  10. Four Reasons No TAP by hhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are four very clear reasons why no nation would want to tap into four high speed data cables.. namely to get access to the data they would need 4 more cables to bring the data back to their "office."

    They could someone reroute some of the data on the cable and even use stolen or leased lines on the existing cable for their purpose... but they couldn't steal all of the signal without a way of back hauling home (to their office).

    England has always spied on all the data it could get its hands on and the US and every other country that can, probably does as well..

    My guess if these cuts are connected it's more to force the data to route through specific nodes that anything else, and as I have said elsewhere since phone calls run on these same cables, they might not be even after internet data. Perhaps someone wants to catch someone calling home...

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  11. Re:Cue... by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The fucking irony here is that Iran is a lot more of a real threat than iraq was.

    Just as ironic is the fact that even though they didn't fight in Gulf War II, Iran won the war.

    The U.S. has lost because we have failed to achieve our major strategic objectives -to create a stable, Western-style democracy in Iraq and beat back Islamic terrorism- and instead we have been left weaker in every single way. We have no credibility and no allies, so we're weak on the diplomatic front. Our military is overextended and its readiness to fight another war has been reduced. We're poorer, by about a trillion dollars.

    Iran wins because two of their major strategic objectives have been achieved: the threat of Iraq and the threat of the U.S. have both been neutralized. Iraq is no longer a threat, because Saddam has been deposed, the military is destroyed, and the new government is Shiite, and too weak to stand up to Iran. The United States is no longer a threat: we can't use diplomacy against Iran, because even if we had proof they were up to something, no one will believe us, and few of our allies will back us up because we're so unpopular abroad. We can't use military force, because we don't have the troops to spare, and again it's unlikely we could get any other countries to assist in a military effort. We do have aircraft and cruise missiles, so in theory we could use airstrikes. But if we try anything, they can use the Shiite militias to attack our forces in Iraq and stir up the civil war there, so even a limited air war with Iran would be tough. Finally, any major conflict with Iran would threaten the oil supply, and with it, the world economy.

    So we won't attack Iran, because we can't. And Iran knows it. Their president is a belligerent idiot, they harass our destroyers with their gunboats, they kidnap British seamen, and they send arms to Iraqi insurgents, and they continue to pursue nuclear weapons, all because they know there's not a god damn thing the U.S. can do about it. These are not the actions of a country that is afraid of imminent invasion.

  12. Re:Cue... by nicklott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Iran wins because two of their major strategic objectives have been achieved Three actually: the Taliban in Afghanistan are also no longer a threat. Historically speaking Iran, almost since the time of the Persian empire, has always had three hostile borders; The Russians to the North, Afghans to the East and whoever controlled the middle east to the west (Greeks, Romans, Turks, British, Arabs etc). In the space of 5 years two of these have been nullified and the Russians are currently friendly, plus they're sitting on the world's next fifty years of energy. It's little wonder they're so bullish.
  13. Re:Cue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The U.S. has lost because we have failed to achieve our major strategic objectives -to create a stable, Western-style democracy in Iraq and beat back Islamic terrorism- and instead we have been left weaker in every single way. We have no credibility and no allies, so we're weak on the diplomatic front. Our military is overextended and its readiness to fight another war has been reduced. We're poorer, by about a trillion dollars. We only lost the war if your premise is correct: that we wanted "to create a stable, Western-style democracy in Iraq and beat back Islamic terrorism."

    Here are the ways in which we lost:

    1. We didn't stabilize the country.
    - This assumes we didn't want a never-ending civil war in Iraq. Not necessarily the case.

    2. We didn't get a Western-style democracy installed.
    - When have we ever executed regime-change and actually let the people decide who the new leader was? I don't think there is any precedent to believe that's what we really wanted.

    3. We didn't fight terrorism.
    - I thought it was common knowledge that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam didn't like Al Queda, nor did he like their radical Islamic influence on his secular government. They were enemies.

    4. We didn't prevent additional radicals from becoming terrorists.
    - Assumes we don't want a never-ending War on Terror. I thought people like McCain have declared we are destined to have one anyway. Relates to number 5.

    5. We spent loads of money.
    - Only a problem to those that spent it. Not to those that received it. People heavily invested in the defense industry profit from war. People like Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and most of the rest of this administration. All made big profits from the war. Also, preventing these uncontrolled dictators like Saddam from doing something outrageous like nationalizing the oil fields can be prevented, enhancing oil profits. Most of the same people profit.

    6. We will need to occupy Iraq for decades.
    - Perhaps we wanted to build those bases in a very strategic oil-heavy region.

    7. We lost many soldier's lives.
    - Only matters if they're your children. I don't see many Bush-Jr.'s in Iraq, do you?

    From that perspective, we are winning.
  14. Re:[Citation Needed] --NT by kklein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed. There's nothing worse to an al-Qaeda type than a sane and prosperous Arab Muslim state. Countries like the UAE show that Islam is not the culprit; idiots and assholes are. As usual.

  15. Re:[Citation Needed] --NT by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Countries like the UAE show that Islam is not the culprit; idiots and assholes are. As usual. Whether we're talking about Terrorist Organizations (eg Al Quaeda) or The Countries That Hate Them (eg The US of A), it's always the idiots and asswholes (eg Dick/DubYah/Osama/etc) to blame.

    The vast majority of the respective populations are not irrational, psychotic and unstable.
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