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Courts Force Danish ISP to Block Torrent Tracker

Pirate writes "A Danish court ruled in favor of the IFPI, and ordered the Danish ISP Tele2 to block all access to the popular BitTorrent tracker. The Pirate Bay, currently ranked 28th in the list of most visited sites in Denmark, is working on countermeasures."

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  1. Just a DNS block. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Changing your DNS lookup to fx. opendns.org will solve the technical side of the censorship for now.

    So the issue is really the on the censorship itself and where it ends.

  2. Re:they don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're not even doing that, this is a DNS level block. A few sub domains pointing to 83.140.176.146 should enlighten the Danish judiciary.

  3. Re:p2p tracker by SScorpio · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean sometime like DHT which is the peer to peer distributed tracker? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_tracker#Trackerless_torrents

  4. Not surprising, Danish courts are pro-right owners by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 4, Informative

    One kid was charged with DKK 200,000 (US$ 40,000) for putting links on his home page pointing to sites where you could download music unauthorized. He was never sentenced though, as he died before the case was closed, and the Danish RIAA at least had the decency not to charge his parents.

    For another example, Google News is available in all Scandinavian languages, except Danish. During the bubble a similar Danish news aggregating service was shut down by the courts by a decision that could be taken as out ruling deep linking altogether.

    The scary thing for me is that there see to be a strong degree of acceptance of this situation in the nerd community. There seem to be a huge gab between us and Sweden in this regard.

    Denmark is also where Microsoft domination is most firm, and before that, the one market where OS/2 really penetrated. We love out corporate masters. Every action taken against corporate abuse seems to come through EU, never the Danish government (no matter their political composition).

  5. This isn't the end.. by Splab · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all the court in question is "Fogedretten" which is I guess somewhat similar to a small claims court. A company can get an injunction against another if they believe the other part is doing something wrong, if the other company decides to roll over and play dead it ends there, else it can go all the way to supreme court.

    IFPI decided to attack Tele2 again because they have a reputation of not fighting back, which is most likely the case here (court documents haven't been released yet) - TDC and Telia the main operators here in Denmark have stated they will not implement this unless they lose in court.

    Also, the block will be a DNS level block, so it has zero effect since it will only be on Tele2 DNS servers and it wont take long for kids to figure that out.

  6. Re:they don't get it. by brunascle · · Score: 5, Informative

    TPB will have to change their end first. currently, the site redirects you to http://thepiratebay.org/ if you go to their site without thepiratebay.org in the host, e.g. : http://83.140.176.146

    you'll have to put thepiratebay.org in your hosts file until they change it.

  7. BitTorrent, P2P have many legal uses by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Informative
    BitTorrent is critical for the success of Open Source and Free Software projects, in that it is used to distribute installation CD images. Distribution by HTTP alone is often prohibitively costly.

    It's also important for musicians like myself, as well as to the musicians that are members of Jamendo, which distributes Creative Commons-licensed music via BitTorrent and eMule.

    A struggling musian who distributes his work via HTTP can easily be bankrupted if one of his songs suddenly becomes a hit. P2P filesharing, via BitTorrent and other protocols, provides an affordable alternative.

    In discussing P2P with other people, and especially with your legislators as well as your ISPs, it's important to stress the legal uses of it. Otherwise they will only see it as a source of lawbreaking and copyright infringment.

    --
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  8. Re:what's next? by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it can't. Both your post and the one I originally replied to show a lack of understanding of how BitTorrent works. There are 2 layers of indirection, the tracker and the .torrent file, and they are separate.

    The actual file (or rather, chunk) copies are held by peers, and transferred only between peers. In order to be able to get chunks, though, you need to know who the peers are, so that you can communicate with them.

    The identities of those peers are provided by a tracker. Trackers are the equivalent of BitTorrent servers -- a client contacts them and, using the BitTorrent protocol, they inform the client of how to contact other peers.

    A .torrent file is a file containing all the necessary metadata about a torrent. Names of files, hashes, and how to contact the trackers for that torrent.

    An indexing site, or Google, can readily provide you the .torrent file. All this tells you is how to contact the trackers. It does not contain sufficient information to actually contact peers and download the torrent.

    A tracker, given a .torrent file, can actually be used by clients to contact peers for download. As such, its level of facilitation in the download and sharing process is much higher.

    Both a .torrent and a tracker are necessary for BitTorrent to function. Sites providing searching or caching, like Google, can provide the .torrent -- they cannot provide the tracker. Simply having a cached .torrent file provided by Google, if the trackers it references are shut down, would do you no good.

    (PEX and such complicate matters.)

  9. Re:what's next? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hosting trackers is the primary function of TPB; they're one of the most common and reliable tracker hosts. I'm also fairly certain their search feature only includes torrents for which TPB is the tracker. They don't host any of the actual contents, though; you won't see a TPB server acting as a seed. They merely act as coordinators, collecting and redistributing lists of the IP addresses and stats of the various clients participating in the torrent.

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