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White Paper Decries RIAA Attempts To Raise Infringement Payouts

Little Big Man writes "Public Knowledge, the CEA, and six other industry and public interest groups have issued a white paper critical of the attempts of the RIAA and other major copyright players to have statutory infringement levels raised. 'Noting that the courts can currently award massive statutory damages without rightsholders having to demonstrate that they have suffered any actual harm, the white paper calls current copyright law a "carefully designed compromise" meant to balance the interests of both parties ... The authors of the white paper paint a dreary future where "copyright trolls" file lawsuits in order to rake in massive amounts of statutory damages, where innovation is stifled, and where artists are afraid to "Recut, Reframe, and Recycle" because of the financial risks involved.'"

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  1. Nice idea but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A hundred whitepapers wont do much good unless you can afford to lobby a few politicians and they only deal in cash.

    1. Re:Nice idea but... by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need a "-1 Cynical" (or maybe +1) moderation choice.

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    2. Re:Nice idea but... by mrxak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a money war, and unfortunately every forced copyright settlement is paying politicians for the sorts of laws that make extorting people so easy. Somebody form a lobby group for shutting down the RIAA's frivolous lawsuits and I'll gladly donate money to it.

    3. Re:Nice idea but... by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and they would be pleased to accept your tax deductible donation right now. I have donated money to them each year for the past three (3) years now. I think you will agree, after reviewing their website, that their lobbying efforts have been intelligent, organized, informed, and as their list of successful actions attests, surprisingly effective as well. The professional lobbyist is an inevitable and some would say unfortunate part of our democracy, but the EFF proves that it does not take a fortune to effectively agitate for positive change or resist unwelcome changes. If you can donate even fifty ($50) US dollars on a yearly basis then that would be a useful and powerful statement against the RIAA and other special interest groups who are fighting to take away and roll back your rights and carve out unwarranted new rights and protections for themselves at your expense.

  2. Not going to make a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless whoever wrote this white paper is prepared to bribe congresmen, presidents, and government officials at the rate at which the RIAA is doing it nothing will ever change.

    Put simply, corruption and bribary are the language of American politics.

  3. CEA to RIAA: by Enlarged+to+Show+Tex · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are in your politics killin' your business models

    1. Re:CEA to RIAA: by Dr.Merkwurdigeliebe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wear in ur politics killin ur biznis models If you're going to lolCat something, do it right. at least half the words have to be spelled phonetically

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  4. Poison Pill by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let them raise the statuatory infringement cap...
    But only if they cut copyright back to 14 years instead of life + 70 yrs.

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    1. Re:Poison Pill by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That would put everything before 1994 into the public domain. That includes things like Super Mario Bros., the original Linux kernel, the first two Terminator movies, Blade Runner, the first six Star Trek movies, all the Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, and more into the public domain. And, of these, which are you saying has not made enough money to finance the original development and make a reasonable profit? The aim of copyright, after all, is to promote the development of creative works by allowing the creators to make money from them. If 14 years is enough time for the creators to make enough money from their creations to both fund their development and provide an adequate return on investment to encourage for future funding then 14 years is long enough. It might not be, but none of the counterexamples you cite back up your claim that it's too short.
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    2. Re:Poison Pill by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Regarding "Blade Runner", released in 1982 (26 years)

      Aug 3, 2007
      Ladd jury orders WB to pay up over profits

      The 12-juror panel then ruled 10-2 to adopt the plaintiffs' suggested damage calculations for 12 films produced by the Ladd Co., including "Blade Runner," "Chariots of Fire" and the "Police Academy" movies.

      The Superior Court jury delivered a unanimous verdict in finding that the studio breached its duties to the producers. The 12-juror panel then ruled 10-2 to adopt the plaintiffs' suggested damage calculations for 12 films produced by the Ladd Co., including "Blade Runner," "Chariots of Fire" and the "Police Academy" movies.

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      The movie was profitable loooooong ago and the studios are still ripping people off with fancy accounting.

      I personally support the original "14 years + option to reup 14 years".

      The current disney purchased "forever" system is obscene and removes any respect for the copyright system because it is so obviously unfair and corrupt.

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    3. Re:Poison Pill by mrxak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Copyrights should last 70 years because that's probably how how the artist will live after they've made it, and possibly help their family after they're dead. Copyright holders are rarely the millionaires you seem to think they are. Yeah, you have the big record companies and movie companies, but a lot more copyrights are being given to authors or freelance photographers, exactly the sorts of people that need long-term protection because chances are they aren't making a lot of money off of their work. You want to shorten patent terms, sure, you want to make it harder for the RIAA to extort people, sure, but let the starving artists have control of their work during their lifetime.

    4. Re:Poison Pill by Shagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think of it the other way. How many artists will stop creating because they "only" have 14 years to make money off of it.

      Copyright was not originally intended to guarantee the artist a paycheck for the rest of their life. Having copyrights that last for the life of the creator isn't about "encouraging the arts" it's about locking in control and legally enforcing a profit, neither of which are what it was created for.

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    5. Re:Poison Pill by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It means that the content you've now dumped into the public domain will suddenly start showing up on TV, surrounded by ads, making money for the TV network but offering nothing back to the creators.

      It means that it'll show up on boot-leg DVDs for $5/pop - with all $5 going to the person who ripped the disk and nothing to the creator.


      Good! That's how it should be!

      Someone taking a near infiite resource (digital info), combining it with a very finite resource (time/airwaves) and then finding a hungry market for it!

      Everything I create I release to the public domain, yet I still make good income on it.

    6. Re:Poison Pill by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's important to remember that the creative arts are a different kind of business than many others

      No they're not. That's the incorrect assumption that keeps this stupid argument about "intellectual property" going.

      "Being creative" is no different than providing any other sort of service. For most types of services, you get paid for what people think is the value of the provided service, at the time that you provide the service. Only the greedy want to get paid over and over for providing a single act of service.

    7. Re:Poison Pill by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have just demonstrated that you haven't any idea why copyright was created in the first place. People are by nature creative. We do stuff all the time that is new. Not all of it (or even a majority of it) is interesting or useful to other people, but a lot of stuff is. As a society we only grow when everybody's creative ideas are out on the table. We take the best ones and build upon that.

      However, ideas are an infinite good. Some people don't want to share their creative ideas unless they have some way to profit from it. Because ideas can't be controlled like a physical thing can, some people a long time ago designed copyright to give incentive to those people. In brief, copyright is the government granting a temporary monopoly on your idea (so that you can profit from it) to you in exchange for you to share that idea with society. During that copyright period, you are free to charge however much you want for the use of that copyrighted material (free use excepting). After that copyrighted period though, the public and society as a whole is now free to build upon that idea however they see fit. If you want to have another monopoly that allows you to create money off an idea, then you have to come up with something new and creative again. Thus, copyrights give incentive to create more copyrighted work from even the original author. However, with a copyright term that is guaranteed for life, what incentive do you have to create something new more than once? Sure you can create more works to make even more money, but if you are content with what you have, you have no reason to create new works. Let's take an example. If the copyright for Star Wars ran out in 1993 (14 years after 1979) then George Lucas would have been forced to come up with something new to make money. He couldn't just continue riding the Star Wars wave the rest of his life. (For those of you who didn't like the prequels, this means that after 1993 anybody could have made them). As it is, he just sits around and makes money off of a few properties he's made.

      I will only be for lifetime+ copyrights once my work as a plumber guarantees me and my posterity money for all individual jobs I do. If I make a toilet and install it somewhere, then guarantee me that I can get a decent income from that work for the rest of my life and my childrens' lives as well. If I happen to want more money, then I will install a second toilet and then you have to guarantee me profits from two toilets. But it doesn't work like that in real life and it shouldn't be that way for anything else. To make a more appropriate analogy: Say you are a marketing guy and you come up with a neat way to advertise a product. Should you be guaranteed an income for you and your posterity for that one idea? No, that would be silly. You get paid a salary and if you stop coming up with ideas then you're fired and the next idea-man gets hired in your place. Same with individual authors of creative works. They should have to keep coming up with ideas if that is how they want to make a living. If they don't, then they can go work as a salaried employee somewhere.

      In either case, if you want to leave your children some inheritance, that is your deal. People who don't make money off of copyrighted things have to save up and invest in order to provide for their families. Why should a person who came up with some idea before anyone else be treated any differently in that regard? We, as a society, gave them an opportunity to market their creative work and make money, now it is our turn to build on it.

      I have kind of gone astray. Anyway, the purpose of copyright is to grant a temporary monopoly to give incentive for you to release your work of art into society. Society grants that (through the government) and in return we get your creative work and get to build upon it. Copyright gives incentive to people who have creative works to release it upon society for the express reason of society being able to use that

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  5. Is this misworded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    'Noting that the courts can currently award massive statutory damages without rightsholders having to demonstrate that they have suffered any actual harm, the white paper calls current copyright law a "carefully designed compromise" meant to balance the interests of both parties

    I'm misunderstanding how the assignment of statutory damages without a demonstration, much less proof of harm can be considered in the interest of both parties.

  6. Obvious really by Recovering+Hater · · Score: 4, Funny
    The RIAA won't be happy until they can sue someone for "100 Jillion dollars" *

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    1. Re:Obvious really by HikingStick · · Score: 3, Funny

      In all likelihood, I believe the RIAA would prefer to make copyright infringement a capital offense.

      The executions, themselves, will be recorded (and copyrighted) and then tacked on the beginning of every DVD or future media type.

      After a few years, consumers will be able to purchase "The best of RIAA Executions" in a variety of formats (each disk or download fully protected by DRM, of course).

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  7. Future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The authors of the white paper paint a dreary future where "copyright trolls" file lawsuits in order to rake in massive amounts of statutory damages, where innovation is stifled, and where artists are afraid to "Recut, Reframe, and Recycle" because of the financial risks involved.'" Strange. That sounds remarkably similar to the dreary present.

    Copyright lawsuits to censor, intimidate, or extract cash are already fairly common. Also, the financial and legal burden to remixing content and culture is already so high that no independent artist can endure it, and most big-name outfits avoid it wherever possible.

    Welcome to the future.
  8. This just in by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 3, Funny

    A late amendment to the PRO-IP would give the RIAA permission to "hold you upside down and shake out every last penny" on suspicion of copywrite infringement. Not satisfied with this development, RIAA is now pushing for a further amendment permitting cavity searches as well.

  9. Higher return-on-investment. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The RIAA makes perfect sense here. In response to dwindling (or flat) profits from lawsuits, they want to raise the guaranteed ROI on fewer lawsuits. Models the recording industry business practices perfectly... Rape, don't innovate.

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  10. Having their cake and eating it too by Shagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it that the RIAA (and I guess the MPAA too?) are able to basically have the best of both worlds with current copyright laws. They have the reduced burden of proof that a civil court gives them, but are also allowed to basically get criminal levels of punishment. If they really want to be able to financially ruin someones life for a single infringement, shouldn't they at least have to do it in criminal court with a "beyond a reasonable doubt" burden of proof.

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    1. Re:Having their cake and eating it too by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You would get about 1/100th punishment from just shoplifting it.

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  11. "carefully designed compromise", my ass! by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the white paper calls current copyright law a "carefully designed compromise" meant to balance the interests of both parties

    I don't. I think copyright is WAY out of hand. Terms should be brought back to the eighteenth century's tewnty years, and no noncommercial use should be called infringing except in the case of plagairism.

    P2P is advertising and MP3s are free samples of a far better commodity.

    If copyright were reasonable, you wouldn't have folks on slashdot calling for its abolition like you do now.

    -mcgrew

    PS- I hold hundreds of copyrights, two having ISBN numbers. The two registered ones would have gone into the public domain already if I'd had my way, as they are both over 20 years old. How are you going to convince Jimi hendrix to record any more songs? That is what the US Constitution says the purpose of copyright is!

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    1. Re:"carefully designed compromise", my ass! by shark72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "P2P is advertising and MP3s are free samples of a far better commodity."

      I've purchased hundreds of MP3 and AAC tracks. Not once have I proceeded to purchase the CD version, nor have I gone to see the performer play live, or -- to use the Slashdot cliche -- "bought a t-shirt." The track was the product, not an ad. And the fact is that there are many, many consumers like me. If I could have legally gotten those MP3 files for free, then the copyright owner would have seen exactly zero money from me. Let's not pretend that MP3 files hold no value... while I acknowledge that many people reading this use P2P as their primary source for music, Apple and others have done quite well in the business of selling downloads.

      "I hold hundreds of copyrights, two having ISBN numbers. The two registered ones would have gone into the public domain already if I'd had my way, as they are both over 20 years old."

      Possibly a dumb question... if you hold the copyright, don't you have your way? Does obtaining an ISBN hamper your ability to release something into the public domain?

      I'm thinking of what Cory Doctrow has done with some of his stuff... he didn't see the need for it to be under copyright any longer, so he set it free. His stuff, too, has ISBNs, so I don't understand what the difference is here.

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  12. Re: limited terms by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have any idea how ridiculously fucking short 14 years is?!
    Long enough so you have a reasonable time to market your work and make money; short enough that you don't get to sit on your ass for the rest of your life, and short enough that you are prohibited from obstructing other peoples' progress.

    Go re-read the Constitution ...

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
    As copyright stands now, the term can outlive the author. That's bad. Exactly how does that beyond-death structure encourage the dead guy to create additional works? (hint - it doesn't.)
  13. Re: limited terms by Anakron · · Score: 2

    how does that beyond-death structure encourage the dead guy to create additional works? It doesn't. However, it also reduces any incentive for the artist to suffer an "accidental" death.
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  14. Colors by Teflon_Jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    White papers aren't going to et it done, Green papers are the only way to make a change in laws.

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  15. Already seeing "Copyright Trolls" by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The authors of the white paper paint a dreary future where "copyright trolls" file lawsuits in order to rake in massive amounts of statutory damages


    It's not widespread yet as a means for profit, but copyright protection laws are being already being (mis-)used to silence critics and competitors. There was the Lexmark DMCA case where they argued that a competitor's ink replacement system was a violation of the DMCA. There are the widespread Scientology claims of copyright on items they don't own, but want offline. In general, anyone who wants a site offline quickly can just file a DMCA claim on it You can sort out those messy perjury issues later (if they come up at all). Attach a financial reward for filing DMCA claims and suddenly copyright trolls will appear everywhere.
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  16. Corporate use of an individual's copyrighted work? by Christoph · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A corporation took a photo from my website (cgstock.com) and used it in an entire ad campaign (phone book, brochures, newspaper). I saw it, they refused to pay, then sued me for defamation when I wrote about it on my website ( http://www.cgstock.com/essays/vilana ).

    The case went to trial in federal court November 5th, 2007 (case 06-01164, District of MN -- my copyright infringement claim and multiple counterclaims over me "disparaging" them...it was a bench trial and I'm still waiting for the judge's ruling).

    I explicitly permit non-commercial use of my photos -- personal web pages, schools, etc. (I require a photo credit, but I would not sue over it). But I greatly object if you are making money from my work, you HAVE A BUDGET to pay me, but are cutting me out of the loop to inflate your profits while I'm earning nothing.

    There are excessive penalties for copyright infringement where the infringer does not seek to profit, but (speaking subjectively) I would like the corporation that stole my photos (two photos, actually), lied about it, forged evidence, and tied up in court since 2005, to pay "a billion dollars"...not just a token amount, or a few hundred. The risk of getting caught has to be a deterrent, which (for this company) it was not.

    (licensing photos largely relies on professionalism and the honor system; if a local bank tells me they are going to use my photo in 1,000 brochures, I assume they are not using it in a TV campaign, billboards, and 100,000 brochures -- if so, the damages should outweigh the benefit of lying).

    I guess this relates to the change in copyright law (to address P2P) that equated infringement without a profit motive = infringement with a profit motive.