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Best Laptop for Going Around the World?

mitbeaver writes "I'm planning a round-the-world trip. 6+ months in developing countries, including Everest base camps 1 & 2, the deserts of Namibia and lots of places in between. I want to bring something to write (blogs or the Great American Novel) and burn DVD photo backups to mail home. I don't really need much in the way of power, but I do need it to survive the altitude, dust, moisture of tropical locations, and being hauled around non-stop for the better part of a year. I will be carrying my life in my backpack, so every pound counts. It looks like some 'semi-rugged' ultraportables exist, but the truly 'rugged' are all pretty heavy. These are pricey, and the risk of theft is non trivial. A smaller laptop is easier to keep on my person more often, which is safer (in most countries) than leaving it in the hostel/hotel. Still, the rugged guys are 2x the price — almost worth buying a cheap one and planning an on the road replacement purchase. I know we've talked about gadgets to carry around the world before, but any advice would be greatly appreciated." We also discussed laptop travel cases a little more than a year ago.

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  1. Thinkpad by pipatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thinkpad X-series, maybe one of the T-series if you really need to burn stuff, but I wouldn't hesitate for a moment about taking my X40 anywhere. It's as rugged as you can get for that weight.

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  2. Things to consider too! by jelizondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing you must consider in Plan B (replacing the laptop) is the difficulty of getting an English version of the OS and keyboard

    While OSes are internationalized and have English versions in the same package as other Latin-alphabet languages (Spanish, French, etc.) I'm not sure it would be true for non-Latin alphabets as would be the case in Asia.

    In another topic, considering that postal systems in many underdeveloped countries is not very efficient you might want a plan B for your DVDs; a nice padded package might get stolen just out of curiosity and it will certainly can be opened by postal authorities in many countries to verify its contents.

    Good luck and have fun!

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  3. Pick Two by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rugged, light, cheap: pick any two.

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    1. Re:Pick Two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I pick both of the commas, what exactly does that get me?

  4. hard drives die at high altitude by lopgok · · Score: 5, Informative

    You will want to use a solid state disk when you are at Everest base camp.
    If you read about computers used there, the hard drives fail very quickly due to low air pressure.
    Hard drives are not rated to work at 18,000 feet.

    1. Re:hard drives die at high altitude by ajfrancis35 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You will want to use a solid state disk when you are at Everest base camp.
      If you read about computers used there, the hard drives fail very quickly due to low air pressure.
      Hard drives are not rated to work at 18,000 feet. Very True. Dan Reed describes his experience with high altitude and hard drives here: http://hpcdanreed.typepad.com/reeds_ruminations/2007/08/yo-head-crashes.html#more "In an earlier blog posting, I mentioned that I was on my way to western China, to give a keynote talk at GCC2007 in Urumchi, which is in northwest China.....Needing a digital fix and wondering about network connectivity in Tibet, I turned on my IBM ThinkPad. Windows Vista booted normally, and my applications began loading. Life was good. Then, I saw the dreaded blue screen of death, followed by a message that struck terror in my heart: Disk read error Ctrl-Alt-Del to retry....... ...........The first night in Tibet, I awoke around 3 AM with a massive headache, one of those "Oh, please, bludgeon me into unconsciousness so the pain goes away" migraines from altitude sickness. I was having a second head crash, the biological kind this time., ......... ....I've been reflecting on the irony that my disk crash and altitude sickness were due to the same physics that dominates much of my professional life: the Navier-Stokes equations. Beguilingly simple to derive, yet fiendishly complex to evaluate, these differential equations are an application of Newton's second law to describe fluid flows in a wide range of physical situations:....
  5. Thinkpad X-series by rxmd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 2006 I bought a Thinkpad X60s when they were new. Last year I spent nine months doing field work in Central Asia with it, going round the various countries, between deserts and mountains, between +45 and -20 degrees Centrigrade, and all the while lugging it around on buses, in shared taxis and in ex-Soviet trains.

    Once it fell out of my bag off my back in Tashkent, five feet on solid concrete and landed on a corner. I thought "that was my laptop", opened it and it booted just fine. These are solid little devices. No optical drive, but I found I hardly ever have the need for one of those on the road.

    So that would be my recommendation. It's light, yet solid, and not underpowered. I've got the extended battery, which gives me 7 to 9 hours of battery life, and I also bought a worldwide on-site warranty option which would probably be useful in your situation as well.

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  6. 12" powerbook g4 by mrcdeckard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    took mine with a motu traveler for recording in venice, berlin and kolobzeg. rock solid, even when recording a large rocksteady ska band. the aluminum case helps "ruggedfy" it, and the powersupply autosenses 220v. very small and light, and you should be able to pick one up fairly cheap now.

    i still can't understand why apple dropped the 12" laptop form.

    mr c

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  7. Re:Air? :) by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's actually a good idea, just mail home a manila envelope with the whole computer inside.

  8. Small, cheap and light: EeePC or XO. by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A toughbook will cost you a huge wad of cash and is heavy. If/when it gets stolen/broken you're going to cry.

    I'd go for something very light and cheap. If it breaks and you need a replacement well you're still way ahead than if you'd bought a Toughbook.

    Also, instead of burning CDs, use SD cards or something small and light. They are far more likely to get through 3rd world post without getting stolen/broken than DVDs and you don't need a DVD drive. Sure they are more expensive, but EeePC or XO + bunch of SD cards is still way cheaper than a toughbook.

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    1. Re:Small, cheap and light: EeePC or XO. by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, but Toughbooks, unlike pretty much all other laptops, are monkey-approved. I'd like to see your puny Eee match that.

    2. Re:Small, cheap and light: EeePC or XO. by lurker4hire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I second the eeePC but from experience...

      While I didn't have six months I did just return from one month in thailand. Since I was lugging my SLR along with me already I opted to do without the laptop and just upload from internet cafes.

      That didn't last long, it's too much of a PITA, I ended up buying an eeepc in chiang mai. Here's my recommendation:

      - eeePC (light small does everything you need with great battery life)
      - ditch the optical drive, you really don't need it and it'll be nothing but a liability while on the road. Instead take the money you're saving by buying a cheap laptop and just buy a bunch of memory cards for your camera (as the parent recommends, I really should read more than the subject before starting my own reply =\ ). Buy high capacity, and budget for buying more on the road. Mail complete ones home if you want, but honestly they're light and small and mail from developing world can be unreliable sometimes so I'd recommend hanging on to them until you're in the most developed centres and then UPS/fedex/etc them.

      Other than that, non tech tips I'm sure you've heard a thousand times already but here goes.
      -bring antibiotics for the inevitable case of dehli belly.
      -remember that you will bring as much stuff as you can possibly fit in your pack. buy a pack smaller than you think you need.
      -a headlamp will save you so much pain in the ass
      -you can buy flip-flops when you get there (you will want to hit a beach eventually) and ditch them when you leave. In fact the same goes for just about everything you think you might need for some portion of your trip. Only pack things you'll need for the whole trip, it's worth spending money on the road to save a few kgs.

      ok I'll stop... damn I'm jealous

      l4h

    3. Re:Small, cheap and light: EeePC or XO. by Angostura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take small presents that you can give to the local kids. ball point pens, small cheap items. Take photos of back home that you can show to people *if they ask*.

      Don't try to cram too much in. Stop places a while and watch the other tourists come and go. Learn a few words of the language.

    4. Re:Small, cheap and light: EeePC or XO. by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, great, so the toughbook is tested on animals. Bad, bad Panasonic!!!!

  9. You're asking (partially) the wrong question by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not just what laptop to bring, but what to carry it in so that you don't look like a rich guy carrying a laptop. I suggest something extremely light, and underpowered, and small. OLPC jumps to mind immediately. But the key is nobody knowing you have it, so that it doesn't a. get you jumped, and b. walk off in the night or when you leave it in your apartment/hotel room/tent, or what have you.

    Don't get a laptop bag. Wrap it in a shirt or something and put it in a canvas backpack. If the machine doesn't look like it'll take that abuse, you're asking for trouble on one front or another.

    Whatever you get, immediately try to make it look like crap.

    I chose the wrong bag when I was in Madagascar, and KNEW it after about a day or so, there. I did pick the right laptop, though -- a cheapo dell. I put stuff on usb memory sticks, so that my data was always both on the laptop and in my room.

  10. Panasonic by Aeron65432 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The industry standard for what it seems you're looking for is the Panasonic Toughbook. The Toughbook is commonly used by EMTs, police, and the US Military. "The Toughbook was tested on numerous levels, while being compared to a Toshiba of a similar specification, kept in a secure laptop bag. These tests included the laptops being used as tennis rackets, dunked in a water tank and being blown up by "the equivalent to two sticks of dynamite" and "20 litres of fuel". After the latter experiment the Toshiba was destroyed, but the Toughbook, continued to work.

    involves the sort of torture that would have lesser laptops admitting to witchcraft. It's trained to withstand 4 inches of rain in an hour pounding down on the keyboard and screen, be frozen at minus 29 degrees centigrade and baked at plus 60. And to gain the name of Toughbook, any design must pass all these tests - twice!"


    Pretty reliable laptop, huh. On a side note, how did you get the money to do this adventure?

  11. Re:Instead of sending DVDs home by kninja · · Score: 5, Informative

    Forget the DVD burner.

    I agree the EEEpc is by far the cheapest and most portable solution. You can buy a bigger SSD drive to stick in an EEEPC to survive riding in a jeep in Africa/Mt Everest etc., buy a bunch of 4-8-16 GB SDHC cards for additional storage/redundancy, and do offline backups when you have internet access (which you'll have if you're blogging).

    Personally, I have a pimped out toshiba subnotebook that I upgraded to an SSD. I can get 10 hours of battery life.

  12. Maybe a better solution... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Rather than DVDs, use memory cards. Yes, they're more expensive but they're a LOT more convenient and you can carry 128 GB of cards in the same space as a single DVD. Easier to mail in an envelope, too...

    For the computer, I'm going to recommend something different...;) Go for a PDA with a bluetooth roll-up keyboard. You'll get a LOT better battery life, something infinitely more portable (and concealable), and exceptionally rugged - they're built to take a lot more abuse.

    Additionally, if you get one of the HTC units (or other Windows SmartPhones) you can write your journal entries in Word, and with the addition of a local SIM card have a cell phone as well. Plus never be without a really handy albeit low resolution video camera.

    just a different option to consider!

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  13. You probably don't need a laptop by AaronPSU777 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have many friends that have done extensive traveling in third world countries and have done some myself and neither I, nor no one that I know, has taken a laptop with them. It sounds great in theory but the reality is that it's simply more trouble than it's worth. I realize that this is slashdot and it's a unique demographic so if you HAVE to take one I would look for a very rugged ultraportable or umpc. Also a solid state drive would be a requirement for the high altitudes at everest.

    But again, take some time to see if you can really justify the need for a laptop. If you are going to be sending daily blog updates maybe then you need one, if you are going to be taking LOTS of pictures, then maybe you could justify it. But for probably 99% of travelers, even slashdoters, you don't need one. You just have to get over that first hump of accepting life without a computer at your fingertips 24/7.

    Take a notebook to write in, they're better than computers anyway. You don't need any power, plus you you can draw pictures and diagrams. When you can get to an internet cafe transcribe it. If you're worried about losing it make photocopies when you can and mail them home. 4 gb memory cards are going for 17 bucks on newegg. Assuming 2 mb per picture 2 of those cards could hold 4000 pictures, which would come out to an average of 22 pictures a day. Buy some storage space on picasa and upload pictures from there when you have a chance. If there are any documents you need access too just carry a memory stick, or email them to yourself so you can get to them from any internet cafe, or upload them to google web apps.

    If you're carrying a laptop you're going to have to constantly baby it, especially if you're living out of a backpack. What happens when you drop your pack? What happens when your pack gets wet. What happens when you're on a bus with a bunch of locals, are you going to want to pull it out and risk it getting stolen? My advice is to simply cut the cord. When you're traveling like that it's much better to enjoy the experience than to be hunched over a keyboard half the day every day.

  14. Well... by rindeee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...having carried a laptop around the world (literally) for 16 months, I can tell you that a Panasonic Toughbook is worth every penny. Granted, mine was for expeditionary military purposes, but it (along with numerous other laptops we had ranging from Mac Books, Think Pads, Dells, etc.) was probably no more or less abusive than what yours will see. Toughbook's are very expensive, but they're purpose built (get one with a touch screen...you'll thank yourself). If your purpose is met by that, then cough up the bucks. Also, for the record, the Dell's are junk (including the ruggedized version they've started producing). My two cents, but two cents based on experience.