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WGA Under Vista SP1 Is Kinder and Nags More

DaMan writes in with a ZDNet blog entry on Windows Genuine Advantage under Vista SP1. It seems that the draconian features present in Vista RTM have been replaced by nag screens and annoyances such as repeatedly changing the desktop background to black. But WGA no longer turns off Aero and ReadyBoost or logs you out after an hour."

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  1. Re:That's nice, but... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

    Office is, and has been for years, the primary non-game breadwinner at Microsoft. The OSes are next, and the middleware falls third (sometimes going negative). Almost everything they do for Internet, though, is at a loss.

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  2. Re:I dont see the big deal... by david_thornley · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you bought something, activate it, and boom! (steve jobs anyone?!?) you're done. No annoyance!

    And if it were that simple, nobody would be complaining.

    One issue is that the OS keeps checking. What if it decides it isn't valid?

    Another issue is that it sends an unknown set of information to Microsoft, to see if the OS is legit.

    Another issue is that, if you change the hardware setup, the OS might decide it's not legit. This is not an acceptable behavior in servers, and is a real pain in general.

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  3. Re:nag screens and annoyances by nachoboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    WGA should at least give the option to back up its state of that its activated to a certain machine, similar to how one in XP can back up the wpa.bak and wpa.dbl files. Then, in case the machine has to be reinstalled again, Windows can prompt for a copy of these files, and not have to ask for a CD key on future installs.

    Just use phone activation. The installation ID calculated by Windows is the same even across formats, which means the phone confirmation ID is reusable. Just activate by phone once and you are free to reuse the confirmation ID every time you reinstall after that, no further verification by Microsoft required. Note that this applies only to Vista and is different from XP, where the installation ID included a random salt and was unique to each installation.

    Another possibility, but this is a can of worms, is using a TPM chip to store a certificate. Once the machine is activated to use a certain edition and OS, a certificate is stored in the TPM, similar to how Apple stores a certificate for MacOS. Then, on subsequent installs, the OS just checks to see if its licensed via the TPM for that feature set, and goes on its merry way, never requiring activation again.

    This is basically how it works today for preinstalled copies of Windows from large OEM's (Dell, HP, etc.). The computer manufacturer puts a specific string in the BIOS which is verified by Windows. If an OEM copy of Windows is used, activation is bypassed and no need for communication with Microsoft is ever required. It's only available from large OEM's because Microsoft must trust the OEM to correctly account for each computer sold and pay the appropriate license fee. This technology is referred to as SLP, or System Locked Preinstallation, and dates back to Windows XP.

  4. Re:nag screens and annoyances by Kijori · · Score: 3, Informative

    You personally have had trouble with a legally purchased copy of Windows Vista and WGA? Or are you just parroting the vocal minority because that's the slashdot way? I have. WGA mistakenly identified my copy of Windows as being pirated; I never found out why. It was extremely annoying to turn on my PC and be unable to do what I wanted for no real reason, plus resolving the problem involved almost an hour on the phone to Microsoft. In fairness to them though, they were very reasonable on the phone and I don't know anyone else who has suffered the same problem. Fortunately for me I use Ubuntu for everything but games, so I didn't miss out on anything important, it was just an irritation. For other people the consequence could be rather more serious, and I'd like to see MS offering something in the way of compensation if they're mistaken.
  5. Re:nag screens and annoyances by Nazlfrag · · Score: 3, Informative

    For other people the consequence could be rather more serious, and I'd like to see MS offering something in the way of compensation if they're mistaken. Sure you are entitled to compensation. From the EULA:

    18. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND REMEDIES. Notwithstanding any damages that you might incur for any reason whatsoever (including, without limitation, all damages referenced herein and all direct or general damages in contract or anything else), the entire liability of Microsoft and any of its suppliers under any provision of this EULA and your exclusive remedy hereunder (except for any remedy of repair or replacement elected by Microsoft with respect to any breach of the Limited Warranty) shall be limited to the greater of the actual damages you incur in reasonable reliance on the Software up to the amount actually paid by you for the Software or US$5.00. The foregoing limitations, exclusions and disclaimers (including Sections 15, 16 and 17) shall apply to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, even if any remedy fails its essential purpose. Don't spend it all at once.
  6. Re:nag screens and annoyances by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had students adjust the clock many times to the wrong year and that flagged the WGA to see Windows as counterfeit every time.
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  7. Re:nag screens and annoyances by macs4all · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um, I believe that MacOS X dropped the use of TPM-chip copy protection soon after it was introduced, and only a few notebook motherboards ever had TPM chips on them. In fact, I'm not sure if any retail versions of OS X nor any publicly-available Apple motherboards actually had TPM support.