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WGA Under Vista SP1 Is Kinder and Nags More

DaMan writes in with a ZDNet blog entry on Windows Genuine Advantage under Vista SP1. It seems that the draconian features present in Vista RTM have been replaced by nag screens and annoyances such as repeatedly changing the desktop background to black. But WGA no longer turns off Aero and ReadyBoost or logs you out after an hour."

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  1. Re:nag screens and annoyances by Ilgaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds to me like they just made WGA consistent with the rest of the OS. Isn't spyware (forget that lawyer made up term) something:

    1) Installs itself with false promises , e.g. "We will make your internet and system faster with better features!"
    2) Steals private data which you would normally NEVER provide if you had a chance to think twice.
    3) Tortures your user experience and break your system if you ever attempt to get rid of it?

    So, by definition, WGA enabled Windows is spyware and I don't blame MS for it. There is a company who makes easier, faster, better products and they got significant market share at least on portables now. It is not like "Install Linux and ./configure" anymore. Also user friendly distros like Ubuntu exists.

    If considerable amount of MS customers got rid of it or simply rejected using Windows only because of WGA, you would see WGA fade away in weeks, no less.

    I was using Windows back in 2002-2003 era and I can't see a reason why WGA or Customer Experience service isn't considered plain spyware.

    Of course if you act like a lemming, you will be treated like a lemming. After OS X, Intel Switch which made Mac very credible thanks to popularithy, distros like Ubuntu... Why do we blame MS anymore? It is end user/customer to blame. Let them sit with their WGA bugging OS who treats them as a thief.

  2. Re:nag screens and annoyances by cliffski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mind if windows verifies itself with Microsoft. Does that make me a sheep? It's an expensive product and they want to ensure people aren't pirating it. My copy is legit, so why should I resent that? I'm not sure what 'personal information' they will be getting from me, my hard drive serial number maybe? hardly my bank account details.
    Microsoft are no more 'treating their customers like thieves' than a store that has security tags on the clothes and a scanner by each exit. Amazingly, only the shoplifters get bent out of shape about those.

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  3. Re:nag screens and annoyances by RicardoGCE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft are no more 'treating their customers like thieves' than a store that has security tags on the clothes and a scanner by each exit. Amazingly, only the shoplifters get bent out of shape about those.
    Once I leave the store, I don't have to check in with the store owner when I want to use the product I already paid for.
    I'm against software piracy. But I'm also against intrusive control mechanisms that will annoy legitimate users.
  4. Re:nag screens and annoyances by EvilIdler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mind if Windows calls home ONCE, as I install it, to verify.

    But WGA is, to use your security tag analogy, as if they leave the tag on after
    you buy the clothes, and regularly sweep your home to ensure you did not lend
    out any of your clothes to other people.

    But verifying that you have the genuine article on each installation is
    perfectly agreeable.

  5. Good by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never ceased to be amazed about how many people that run Windows deal quite happily with 1000 popups from various spyware that's installed over the years, completely oblivious to the fact that this behaviour is very non-standard. Just as long as they can read their emails, chat to friends, and open Word and Excel they're happy.

    This will be just another of those popups that gets closed without a second thought.

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  6. What about activation? by zlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WGA made sense in XP when there was a corporate license key that worked without activation. But all Vista keys need activation in some way, either a corporate KMS activation key (which is possible to be recalled), an ordinary key, or an OEM certificate+corresponding SLIC in the BIOS+serial number (which is installed on hundreds of thousands consumer PCs and a key recall is practically impossible).
    The only way WGA can be triggered is either the KMS key or some hacking scheme of activating one computer with an ordinary key and then activating another one with a simular configuration with the same key.
    Most cracked Vista copies use the BIOS method which impossible to detect, especially if there's no driver installed and the SLIC is actually patched into the real BIOS.

  7. Re:nag screens and annoyances by Denyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody wants to feel that an expensive piece of software they paid for (probably a tool they rely on for business) could stop working if someone remotely flicks a switch.

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  8. Re:nag screens and annoyances by RicardoGCE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You personally have had trouble with a legally purchased copy of Windows Vista and WGA? Or are you just parroting the vocal minority because that's the slashdot way?
    I called the system "unacceptable". That means I don't use Windows, because I don't like the strings attached, regardless of how "transparent" people want to claim it is.

  9. Re:nag screens and annoyances by RicardoGCE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows 98 was also released 10 years ago, when such piracy was not nearly as big a problem as it is today. Times changes, so must security. WGA is Microsoft securing their product. How do you suggest it figure out who stole it and who didn't without bothering you but still preventing pirates from getting their product for free? I don't care how they do it, as long as they leave me alone. I'm not the thief. I should never be inconvenienced by them.

    "Times change" is not an excuse for piss-poor solutions.

    Piracy exists, and it's here to stay. You know it's so when a legitimate user of Windows XP has to put up with online activation and WGA, but a pirate can get a cracked copy that will never trouble him with such issues. It will be the same for Vista, no matter how many tweaks each successive SP offers.

    Now, the trick is fighting piracy without hassling the people who keep your sorry ass in business. Microsoft is failing at that. How to do it? I don't know. But I do know that "keep your legit users under periodic surveillance" shouldn't be on the list.
  10. Re:Expensive product? by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wiat wait, are you actually claiming that vista is more functional than Windows 3.1?

    Wait, wait. Are you actually claiming that Windows 3.1 is more functional than Vista ? Could you list some examples ?

    When your operating system somehow manages to reverse Rx Tx signals, there is a problem...

    It can't.

    Additionally, have you used a Mac?

    Extensively. I own two of them.

    OsX comes with a huge software set that at the very least, rivals the software set that comes with Microsoft Windows.
    And as such the price should be comparable, but its not. as shown below, Mac OS-X pricing is far superior to vista pricing.

    All retail copies of Mac OS X are priced as upgrades. Therefore, the only valid comparison to Vista is upgrade pricing. Using that, "Vista Home Premium" is both quite comparable, and more functional (eg: Media Centre).

    Additionally take into Account that OS-X has a linux core at heart, and you prove that the Microsoft Windows Alternative is a joke.

    Ah, as I suspected, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.