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SP1 Unsuccessful in Preventing Vista Hacks

"The other A. N. Other" writes "It seems that Microsoft has been unsuccessful with SP1 in preventing hackers from turning a pirated, non-genuine copy of Vista into genuine copies that pass activation. The article initially looked at two of the most popular hacks (OEM BIOS hack and the grace timer hack) but after a little digging ZDNet were able to transform a non-genuine install into a genuine one. 'After a few minutes of searching the darker corners of the Internet and a few seconds in the Command Prompt I was able to fool Windows into thinking that it was genuine.'"

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  1. Here we go again... by Computershack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And it's because of people doing this that stuff gets tightened down and in the end, its not the thieving bastards who suffer but the rest of us who pay for what we use instead of stealing it.

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    1. Re:Here we go again... by mattmcm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My kingdom for mod points. Hell, that's insightful and funny.

    2. Re:Here we go again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Call it funny, but it's actually nearer the truth than most imagine. I get so sick and tired of serial keys, activations and what not. And then still being artificially restricted in what you can do.

    3. Re:Here we go again... by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And it's because of people doing this that stuff gets tightened down and in the end, its not the thieving bastards who suffer but the rest of us who pay for what we use instead of stealing it.

      Well... it's more like from the beginning, not in the end.

      Basically its just another example of how even elegant code is unnecessarily costly when used to stupid purpose. Trying to prop up a 1989 business model with the likes of WGA, DRM, etc is just stupid. Find another business model. It isn't like there is some worldwide shortage of them.

    4. Re:Here we go again... by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. It's much more convenient to use cracked copies of games rather than take the CDs with you everywhere in case you feel like playing them on your laptop at your friend's house/whatever. Note: I do buy all my games, but I like to download the 'No CD' versions so that I can keep the original CDs/DVDs in good condition, and so that I dont have to swap out friggin game CDs to watch a DVD. Games should not need the disc after installation. Hopefully I'm not being hypocritical because I'm happy to use plastic discs to store my movies on for the moment. The difference is that I only tend to use each DVD about once every 2 years on average, whereas my game discs would get months of use at a time if I didn't have a NoCD version.

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    5. Re:Here we go again... by Firehed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've been modded funny, but that's how I run half my software. By running a cracked copy, I never have to worry about WGA, (re)activation, etc. I could do things completely legitimately and call up India every few months, or just install from a different disc despite owning a legal, shiny, "do not make illegal copies of this disc"-hologrammed copy, and never have to be bothered with any of it.

      It's been working well for me for years, and I see no reason to stop. They have my money, I have their software, and I get to use what I paid for. Problem? Didn't think so.

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    6. Re:Here we go again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I download the whole game, try it out, and when I decide that it is (or was) worth my time, THEN I buy it.

      You release shit, you get shit.

    7. Re:Here we go again... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is the funny part. WGA is a solid failure, yet Microsoft will not give up on it

      That's because Microsoft hates you. They say "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence", right? Well, in the past year or so, I've come to the conclusion that incompetence is no longer sufficient to explain Microsoft's products, therefore they must be the result of malice.

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  2. This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS doesn't want to stop all Vista piracy. Sure, they want to stop commercial outfits producing fake Vista DVDs but stopping all Vista piracy is bad business. Using Vista (even a pirated copy) keeps you locked-in and makes it easier for MS to get people using more MS software. After all, Vista was an industry-wide attempt to get everyone buying new hardware. Yeah it failed (hardware sales have been well below expectations) but using free Vista still encourages you to get new hardware like DX10 video cards & other DRM-riddled hardware.

  3. Opportunism vs schadenfreude by oldbamboo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm torn here. Should I be happy I can now install and activate the ISO of Ultimate I've had for the last six months, or be sad that Microsoft haven't played their usual PR ace and made about a quarter of a million legit systems go 640 x 480 x 16 colours?

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  4. Of course by koan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    M$ could lock it down and make it much more difficult but why? With everyone using it because it's easy to pirate they maintain their market share, and it appears there is no shortage of people willing to pay for that crap called Vista.
    I have to say the other post about "the ones that steal it making it harder for everyone else" is one of the most naive and ignorant post I have ever seen.
    It isn't "stealing" it's copyright violation, and you have fairly naive view of human behavior.

    Relax there are more important things to worry about than some crappy OS.

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  5. Re:Black Screen of Death... by morcego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, you are correct. They will not convict you of piracy: they will convict you for violating the DMCA. Well, if you live in the USA anyway.

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  6. Re:Curious tactics anyway by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly. A lot of people tell me that MS Office is better than OpenOffice, but is it really $400 better? For a few classes of user, maybe. For most? Probably not. But if you're pirating MS Office, then the cost is exactly the same as OpenOffice, so if it's any better at all then it will get used.

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  7. Re:How is MS supposed to win? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So how are they supposed to come up with a happy compromise in a no-win situation?
    Ideally you want a balance of price to value, so that people feel they are genuinely getting their money's worth. I know there are some pieces of software that I gladly pay for because they do what they are supposed to and do it very well. I genuinely want to help the developers out and ensure that they will continue to develop the product. Then there are other pieces of software that seem like a waste of money.

    No matter what the price there is always going to be someone out there who'll pirate the software just because they can. Just for the hell of it. The goal is to get as many people as possible to pay for it. And the best way to do that is to turn out a good product for a good price - not by making it harder to pirate.
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  8. Re:Curious tactics anyway by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's an unpopular sentiment around here, where the upgrade-Vista-by-installing-XP +5 funny post apparently never loses its humor, but there's a lot of truth to what you said. Linux has come a long way towards desktop/user friendliness and distributions like Ubuntu are a huge leap forward, but they still haven't achieved the holy grail of but-can-my-grandmother-use-it. Getting closer, though.

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  9. Re:No surprise there... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the windows world most home and small buisness systems are never upgraded from one windows release to the next. they are purchased with a version of windows and that version of windows stays on them until they are retired. Versions of windows come with a very long security update life cycle that facilitates this (7 YEARS of overlap!).

    in the linux world you are lucky to find a vendor offering more than a year of security update overlap for desktop versions. Unless of course you consider the service packs, which by themselves introduced and broke quite a bit of functionality, to be the equivalent of releases with other distros. My experience with distro upgrades have certainly not been more painful than that, and plain XP as well as XP SP1 are no longer supported. And you're certainly counting if you bought XP in 2001, if you bought XP right before Vista was released there's no 7 years of support for you, more like 2.5 years. Well, the LTS versions of Ubuntu has 3 years on the desktop with a 1.5 year release cycle, in the worst case this means 1.5 years remaining support. It is somewhat poorer but nowhere as much as you make it out to. That also doesn't take into the account that two of the main reasons for not upgrading is the upgrade price and new anti-features, none of which are present on Linux. Personally I've found the 6 month release cycle to be more preferable than the LTS release because they keep introducing nice features, though I suppose evil tounges will say that's because Linux has so much catching up to do. I disagree but still, 1. It's not Windows and 2. Some Windows applications don't run well under WINE means it's not for everyone just yet...
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