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Internet "Creates Pedophiles" According to "Expert"

Brian Ribbon writes "In the latest sensationalist article about pedophiles on the internet, the director of a Spanish vigilante organization has claimed that the internet 'creates pedophiles'. While conflating pedophilia with child sexual abuse, the 'expert' quoted in the article incorrectly states that 'studies show that some pedophiles feel attracted to children from an early age, but the majority of them develop the tendency later on'; he then claims that 'the internet can become a catalyst for people belonging to the latter group.'"

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  1. Um by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couldn't this very likely be true? And, more importantly, if it is, so what?

    The internet is an enabling technology for an awful lot of things, and the information easily available via the internet has, I'm sure, acted as a catalyst or even an initiator for all sorts of interests, even interests some may consider distasteful or even illegal. Fortunately, the positive aspects of this information tool are viewed by the vast majority of people to outweigh its negatives.

    This submitter appears eager to dismiss something that is probably quite accurate; namely, that the internet can catalyze or even create an interest in a predisposed person, who might not have had the opportunity, inclination, will, or knowledge to pursue it otherwise, absent this tool. Why don't we instead simply agree that while this state of affairs may be the case, it isn't the "fault" of the internet?

    The internet is a tool for access to information. That tool allows someone who may not have explored their pedophilia 50 years ago to do it now, simply because of the privacy and ease, and may even catalyze it or allow it to grow. That is, essentially, creating -- or at least solidifying -- "pedophiles", and I am not making any value judgment whatsoever. Just as the internet "creates" people who enjoy online games, or who have discovered and embraced any of a number of other topics they otherwise might not have without the unique and easy exposure the internet can provide in the comforts and privacy of one's home 24 hours a day, it is so for this as well.

    And why can't it follow that however small an increased number of people -- however small -- may act on those feelings of "pedophilia" who wouldn't ever have gotten to that point before because of their own inhibitions or any number of other reasons, jumping the gap to what the rule of law in many societies currently defines as illegal in the form of either child pornography or child sexual abuse, regardless of consent? (Whether pedophilia does not always equal child sexual abuse and vice versa is irrelevant.)

    The internet makes a great deal of things much easier. As such, it is going to support much easier access to information -- text, images, video -- and like-minded individuals that can undoubtedly support or encourage interest in just about any topic one can imagine.

    What is so hard to believe about that?

  2. He also states that ... by PitViper401 · · Score: 5, Funny

    He also states that 4chan creates child molesters with a penchant for fur and funny cats.

  3. Creating Pedophiles... by provigilman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yeah sure, it's internet... I'm guessing that track pants with the words "Juicy" across the ass don't have anything to do with it though? And certainly not the thongs for 12 year olds...no, never!

    If there's anything leading to Pedophilia being activated later in life it's the over-sexualization of our kids, not the internets. It's all around us all the time...but the key here is "activating" them. None of this "creates" Pedophiles, but some of it might push someone on the edge over the brink.

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    1. Re:Creating Pedophiles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, why doesn this guy have the balls to say,

      "hey parents! STOP DRESSING YOUR KIDS LIKE SLUTS! are all of you insane?"

      also what nimrod parent allows unfettered and unmonitored internet access for a child?

      The fault of this lies completely in the hands of the parents.

      Make your fucking kids behave, you know how many delinquents my daughter has to deal with daily at school because the parents out there are useless? I'm talking $150,000 a year and higher income levels.

      Little tommy wants to shave 1/2 his head and dress like a pothead? smack the shit out of him.

      Dammit children need to be beaten a LOT more today.

    2. Re:Creating Pedophiles... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Reminds me of those rather disturbing images of Jon Benet Ramsey in those beauty pageants. Seriously, wtf kind of parent does that to a six-year-old kid?

      I once saw an interview with Dennis Quaid where he was asked about the idea of letting his kids become child actors. His response was something along the lines of "I think that would be tantamount to child abuse." I mean, can anyone look at the Britney Spears of the world and not see the dangers of pimping their children as some sort of sick commodities? Seriously, I've seen way more screwed-up parents in this world than pedophiles creeping around on the internet. If anything represents a risk to kids, it's terrible parenting more than anyone lurking in some chat room (which the kid wouldn't even be in if their parents were actually paying attention to what they're doing online).

      The internet is an easy target to blame. But if a lot of these parents want to spot the REAL problem, they might want to check out the mirror.

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  4. Selective Comments by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's head of an internet based organization entitled "Save the Children."

    I found it odd that the whole article goes on talking about how pedophiles use the internet to get photos and contact other pedophiles. But he never once talks about how it has empowered his organization to receive tips, track these people, pose as children to catch them, pose as other pedophiles to gain evidence, etc.

    So odd how we were only selectively told the bad things the internet allows the criminals to do. And yet in the article, they remind us that they are not criticizing the internet.

    Perhaps I would have taken this man more seriously had he looked at it with a neutral and objective point of view.

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    1. Re:Selective Comments by esocid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The increase of paedophiles is accompanied by their average age going down. Some are minors themselves.
      That little nugget caught my eye. How are minors who have consenting sex with minors paedophiles? Am I missing something there? I would like to see the statistics for how many of these paedophiles are people who are +/-3 years apart, and around the legal age in their respective country.
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    2. Re:Selective Comments by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

      They're making the common mistake of thinking paedophilia includes young adults (people who are physically mature but below the age of consent) when really it means adults being attracted to prepubescent children.
      A 15 year old going with a 13 year old is not paedophilia. At that a 50 year old going with a mature 13 year old is not paedophilia. While in our culture it is not right, lots of cultures it is more normal.
      A 13 year old going with a 10 year old is paedophilia, just as much as 50 year old going with a 10 year old.
      Personally I'm against calling young adults who have sex together paedophilia and even older adults going with very young adults, while not right and often should be illegal, is not the crime of paedophilia.

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    3. Re:Selective Comments by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better than that, and no, I'm not posting AC... The basis of this business is to criminalize and excoriate one particular sexual proclivity.

      Recent and mounting evidence showing genealogical links to sexual behaviors supports the theory that ALL human sexual deviations are simply part and parcel of the wide array of possible human sexual behaviors.

      In civilized society, we generally deem pedophilia as abhorrent, aberrant, and evil but that does not mean those who practice it are necessarily evil. If indeed, there are genetic causations for such behaviors (namely ALL human sexual behaviors) then simply criminalizing it, and punishing those affected, and tarring all technologies involved with 'bad' labels is simply a head in the sand reaction to what is not understood, and consequently not tolerated.

      I believe that some study of ancient Greek society will show that pederasts were respected men of society, and only thought poorly of if their interests in the children did not benefit the child in an acceptable manner.

      So before we all start tarring people with the kristo-fascist brush, perhaps it is better to take a holistic approach to the problem. Punitive prohibition has not worked well for anything that I can think of.

      I'm not saying that we should all accept pedophilia as just another part of life, but I AM saying that the point-n-persecute justice system is not the right way to handle things because along the way someone will blame it on the Internet, or full moons, or the use of aspartame or some other crap that the sheeple will believe and vote for.

      God forbid that we should have to teach our children about society before they are 35....

  5. My computer... by Artaxs · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...lets me play violent games on the Internet, yet I haven't become a sociopath. I think it is more likely that the Internet "creates" sensationalist vigilante groups by giving them an outlet and a high-profile target simultaneously.

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  6. Lies, Damn Lies And Statistics by blcamp · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Anyone with an agenda can push any "theory" they like.

    Example? Water is dangerous and deadly... we should ban that, right? After all:

    It causes death due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities.
    Prolonged exposure to water in solid form causes severe tissue damage.
    Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
    It's is a major component of acid rain.
    Gaseous water can cause severe burns.
    It contributes to soil erosion.
    It leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
    Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
    Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
    Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
    Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
    Thermal variations in it are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

    And on, and on and on...

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  7. Re:I'm a little put off by Detritus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Pedophilia is not a crime. Sexually molesting children is a crime.

    Pedophiles are the modern equivalent of witches, used to rile up the mob. Even if they never touch a child, they are often treated like depraved criminals and imprisoned or murdered.

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  8. Blame the roads by esocid · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 2001, for instance, more than 30,000 Spaniards travelled abroad to have sex with minors, the organization Save the Children estimated.
    It's the trains, planes, and automobiles' faults.
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  9. Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that's why we invented protocols like PPP (Pedophilia Propagation Protocol), TCP (To Contaminate with Pedophilia) and BGP (Background Generation of Pedophiles).

  10. Re:I'm a little put off by JesseL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pedophilia is the sexual attraction by adults to prepubescent children. There is no specific act associated with pedophilia, outside the mind of the pedophile. You are advocating thought crime.

    Creation/possession/distribution of child pornography and child molestation are not the same thing as pedophilia.

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  11. Re:Selective Comments - Obligatory... by Trails · · Score: 5, Funny

    internet based organization entitled "Save the Children."
    or NAMBLA for short.
  12. You know what else creates pedophiles? by QCompson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This trend of classifying anyone attracted to teenagers as a "pedophile" or "sex predator" isn't helping.

    Someone sexually attracted to 5 year-olds and someone attracted to 15 year-olds is not the same thing. Not the same thing at all. Yet the "sex predator" hysteria in western countries has all but eliminated this distinction. Throughout most of human history, it would be perfectly natural for a someone to be attracted to a post-pubescent teenage male or female, but today many people arrested for sex offenses involving teenagers are mistakenly classified as pedophiles by the media, the public, and often even the arresting officers and the court system.

    For an adult male/female to have sexual contact with a teenage girl/boy demonstrates a bad sense of judgment, yes, and very likely they should be punished. However, classifying them as some sort of mentally-deranged freak isn't helping anything. It is natural for a male to be attracted to a fertile teenage girl with wide hips and large breasts. No amount of legislation or public hysteria will change that.

  13. "from a young age" may be relative by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 14 year old who has the hots for her 5-year-old babysitting client discovers she's a pedophile "at a young age."

    Ditto the 18 year old who finds he likes the 10-year-old girl next door.

    The 35 year old who realizes his 8 year old son turns him on more than his wife, not so much.

    What the article is saying is there may be some people out there who are "predisposed" to such thoughts but who haven't been "catalyzed" into thinking about kids that way until they get exposed to the idea later in life. 50 years ago "later in life" might have been "never." The 35 year old father in this example might look at his son, get turned on, and think "this is just wrong." These days with all the stories in the press and access to child porn and pedophile-affirming web sites supposedly available to anyone who cares to search the Internet Underbrush[TM], this catalyzation may happen in the middle- or later-adult years. The father may say "Look at Michael Jackson. I'm not the only one who feels this way."

    As one of the first responders said, "so what." This is an inherent side-effect of freedom of information.

    The solution is not to hide the information, but rather to
    1) fight information with information by making it clear to would-be perps that such behavior is unacceptable and providing a safe way for them to see a shrink without jeapordizing their family life, their livelihood, and their freedom, or other negative consequences,
    and
    2) providing parents, youth, and children with the physical and emotional tools they need to recognize when they are being abused and the tools they need to report such abuse,
    and
    3) providing safe environments for our children that limit the opportunity for would-be offenders to offend.

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    1. Re:"from a young age" may be relative by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Funny

      This can be explained using this handy formula: link

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    2. Re:"from a young age" may be relative by Jesus_666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to forget:

      4) Destigmatize paedophilia so the afflicted can actually deal with it.

      Paedophilia isn't something you can outlaw into oblivion - paraphilias aren't something you decide to have, they're parts of your psyche. Thus, demonizing paedophilia so that the affected don't even dare to seek professional help isn't going to help anyone. Offering them safe, discreet counseling and perhaps ways of satisfying their desires without breaking laws and/or mentally scarring children is much better. One could try to suppress the paraphilia with help of a psychologist, but I don't expect that approach to be very useful.

      Paedophilia isn't going to suddenly disappear. We need to accept that it does occur amongst us and find a way to cope with it in a constructive manner. Whether that means mandatory (but discreet!) counselling, giving lolicon hentai to paedophiliacs to divert their attention from real children, psychological treatement or a combination of any of the above, we need to work on this.


      The internet can actually help with some of those approaches. Web forums could supplement/act as AA-style self-help groups where the members encourage and police each other to ensure they don't screw up. If Paedophilia wouldn't be treated as "OMG YOU'RE A MONSTER LEAVE MY CHILDREN ALONE AND DIE" by the general public, something like that would be very much possible; until then nobody would join such a forum for fear that some wacko obtains their personal information and lynches them.
      And of course it's easy to obtain lolicon on the internet; all porn is easy to obtain on the internet.


      Seriously; we need to actually work with these people, not against them. It's not like they're antisocial crimnal masterminds; they just have urges they can't legally fulfill. It's no wonder that they break laws, then (and kill children out of fear that they're discovered).

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  14. pedophilia != child abuse/child porn by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pedophilia is whatever the psychiatric community says it is.

    Child porn and child abuse are whatever the lawmakers and courts say it is.

    The two are not the same.

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  15. In other news.. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Using quotes" described as "lamest editorial mechanism ever" by "everyone" with an "IQ" over 100.

  16. 13 and 10 not pedophilia by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative
    The current psychiatric definition of a pedophile in the USA is:

    A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

    B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

    C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

    Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old. 13 and 10, no. 16 and 10, yes.

    The point isn't so much "is it pedophilia" but "is it a violation of your society's morals AND is there a minor involved" OR "is it a violation of your society's morals AND is either party realistically incapable of consent?" Arguing over pedophilia becomes an argument over semantics.

    In America, a 20 year old who has sex with a mature 14 year old who is clearly capable of consenting is still violation of society's morals in most cases. This is not the case in some other countries.

    In America, anyone having sex with someone stone-cold drunk is also considered a moral violation, and that person is clearly incapable of consenting.
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  17. next up ... Internet creates... by 3seas · · Score: 5, Funny

    internet pedophile experts