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First Sight of Google Android

CorinneI writes "At the Mobile World Congress show, four mobile processor vendors demoed pre-production devices running versions of Google's Android OS — a Linux-based, open operating system for mobile phones that will sport Google applications. The biggest surprise of the demos was how well Android runs on slow devices. 'TI showed Android on a Motorola Q-like QWERTY handheld with its 200 Mhz OMAP 850 platform, where the user interface felt smooth and fast, even with little Apple-like animated transitions between screens.' HTC, Motorola, LG, and Samsung all belong to Google's Open Handset Alliance"

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  1. Not surprising by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The biggest surprise of the demos was how well Android runs on slow devices. TI showed Android on a Motorola Q-like QWERTY handheld with their 200 Mhz OMAP 850 platform, where the user interface felt smooth and fast, even with little Apple-like animated transitions between screens."


    I don't know why that would be so surprising. Google has quite a bevy of talented people at all levels. All products that come out of Google seem to have something to do with advertising and Android will be just such a vehicle for them. It's how most everything in cyberspace gets funded. You get something for free (a video, a song, a game) and an advertiser pays.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, 200 mhz really isn't that slow for an embedded device. My Mio 339 had a 233 mhz processor running Windows Mobile 2002. It flew, I really loved it. I replaced it with a Dell Axim x50v Windows Mobile 2003SE. The Dell has a 624 mhz processor and I'm always waiting for it. I believe that speed is 10% hardware, 90% software.

      I won't even talk about the performance of Compiz-Fusion on my Inspiron, as compared to Vista on the same hardware that an associate has.

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    2. Re:Not surprising by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The OMAP 850 is a multimedia-focused chip with graphics acceleration built in. The only surprise is that the reviewer called it "slow" based on the mere fact that it's a 200MHz chip.

    3. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm guessing the ascii version of google earth wouldn't wow people much.

      You are here ---> .

      Your destination is here ---> .

    4. Re:Not surprising by dlim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't say I'm surprised either. If you look at their design philosophy, the first subheading is "Fast". Coming from a web/desktop development background, I was surprised at first to see the constant focus on efficiency. But apparently, it's paying off.

    5. Re:Not surprising by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rendering web pages takes a decent amount of CPU to do quickly, for one.
      Not really. Web-page rendering is memory intensive and I/O bound. The amount of device memory available combined with the speed of your connection and phone bus will have a much greater impact on the performance of page rendering than the CPU.

      In fact, there are few common tasks which are CPU-bound these days. Video encoding/decoding come to mind. (Thus the low resolution of the Android player.) This can easily be mitigated in a multimedia device by including hardware decoder chips. Gaming is another area where CPU can have an impact, but I imagine these phones aren't being presented as portable game machines. If someone wanted to make the next Android NGage, they'd probably look to NVidia for an embedded 3D chip to offload much of the work from the CPU.

      The iPhone's success wasn't because it had a fast enough CPU to render web pages. Quite the contrary. The success was that its memory, storage capacity, and touch screen allowed the iPhone developers to provide an easy-to-use interface to the browser. Safari itself isn't necessarily "better" than Opera Mini, but it is wrapped in a superior user-interface.
    6. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny. But am I the only person who thought how cool googleearth would be through aalib?

    7. Re:Not surprising by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the 300HP car weighed 6x as much as the 60HP one? I'd call the 60HP one "faster".

    8. Re:Not surprising by olip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the 300HP car weighed 6x as much as the 60HP one? I'd call the 60HP one "faster".

      I'd call it slower.
      Both will have the same acceleration until air drag is involved.
      Supposing they have the same shape (formally : equal CdA), the top speed of the 300HP car is approximately sqrt(6)=2,45 times the top speed of the 60HP one, which I would then call slower.
      Weight has no direct impact on top speed.

  2. Re:People Excited After The iPhone Marketplace Dud by BobMcD · · Score: 5, Funny

    you probably live in a cabin in the Ozarks Hey! I in fact AM from the Ozarks, you insensitive clod!

    I'm also stoked that I FINALLY got to use one of those phrases!
  3. Re:People Excited After The iPhone Marketplace Dud by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's the disadvantage for the iPhone in Japan: fantastic phones already being present. Even though the interface doesn't compare with the iPhone, Japanese cell phones have long since been about style, and even on a bad day, they make "fantastic" American phones look pretty sad indeed.

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  4. 200MHz is slow? by bigdanmoody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when was 200MHz slow? My old Visor Edge has a 16MHz processor and it feels quite peppy. It does everything I would expect a smartphone to do (other than the fact that it can't make phone calls), and it's easy to use. Have we gotten so used to bloat and poorly optimized code that a 200MHz processor in a phone seems slow? It's a *phone* for Pete's sake.

  5. Re:People Excited After The iPhone Marketplace Dud by Lonedar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having talked to some people around here (UK) it seems to me that Apple would sell many more Iphones by ditching the carrier lock-in it is plagued with currently. Seriously. I can get any phone on the market without having to sign any contracts - except for the Iphone.

    Now, O2 is not a particularly bad carrier, but I travel a lot and I would really like to be able to use my phone abroad without paying the quite extortionate roaming fees.

    Also, no 3G (yet).

  6. Smooth and Fast by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The UI was smooth and fast on my 486/33 running Windows 3.11. It's still quite capable running a no-frills X window manager and Pentium Overdrive. The Apple ][GS was reasonably snappy when it didn't have to access a drive. The only reason why a multi-hundred MHz device could be slow is programmer laziness.

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  7. Re:People Excited After The iPhone Marketplace Dud by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Informative
    We might think that browsing Facebook on your phone is cool, but that's obviously not the case for most consumers.

    I often browse Facebook on my phone. It's a Sony Ericsson K800i - high end 18 months ago, nowadays it's getting to be the standard issue free-with-cheap-contract phone that everyone in the world seems to have. Certainly it doesn't compete with the iPhone as a web browser, but it's capable enough, and Facebook has a perfectly good mobile-optimised site. And you can always install Opera Mini.

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  8. Re:People Excited After The iPhone Marketplace Dud by Takichi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are you trying to say the iPhone won't do well because it isn't stylish enough? I don't see the Japanese phones being more stylish than an expensive, globally buzzworthy product that has a sleek physical design and ubercool user interface. If anything the iPhone will do well because of its association with style and the status that comes with it. I think Apple products in general have an extra sense of style because of their computer designs and the success of the iPod. I can't tell you how many Japanese people look at my powerbook and go, "Makku? Coooru."

  9. Re:supposedly open source by nguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just use Google!

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=android%20open%20source

    Then you find:

    http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_overview.html

    "Android will be open source; it can be liberally extended to incorporate new cutting edge technologies as they emerge. The platform will continue to evolve as the developer community works together to build innovative mobile applications."

  10. I ran Wincows CE and Androiid side by side by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ... both on ARM simulators (ie a reasonable comparisons). Android is about 5-10 times as fast as WinCE for equivalent tasks.

    As others have posted, 200MHz is nothing to sniff at (unless you're throwing it away with bloatware). If Windows 3.11 could run snappily on a 50MHz 486 then there is no good reason for slow software on a 200MHz ARM.

    One of the interesting outcomes of the speed difference is that this means Android based devices should have far better power figures than equivalent Windows CE devices.

    Efficiency is something you have to design in early. The idea that you caan make a bloaty architecture efficient is broken. You don't get a gazzelle by shaving an elephant's legs.

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  11. Android Source code by realdodgeman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Google does have a GIT repo for all the open source components of Android. The kernel is here: http://git.android.com/

    You can also read (here) that

    Over time, more of the code that makes up Android will be released, but at this point, we have been concentrating on shipping an SDK that helps application developers get started. In short: Stay tuned.