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The Starbucks/AT&T Deal To Change Perception of Public Wi-Fi?

ericatcw writes "According to ComputerWorld, with two hours of free Wi-Fi soon to arrive at Starbucks consumers should expect more hotspots to go free as well as more attractive bundles from the likes of AT&T, Verizon and providers. While T-Mobile is hurting, indie coffeehouses and chains such as Caribou Coffee, Tully's and others that already offered free Wi-Fi, insist they are not, saying their ambiance and superior brew will help them retain customers."

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  1. Who else agrees by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That ubiquitous, free (if slow) wifi is going to be the way of the future?

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    1. Re:Who else agrees by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed (although I would qualify the adjective 'slow' with the adverb 'relatively'). Wi-Fi is fast becoming an expected service, as ubiquitous and taken for granted as electricity and running water. When you go out to eat, do you get charged for using the restroom? Do you pay a fee for the electricity used while you ate your meal? The pay-for-WiFi model is becoming just as ridiculous.

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    2. Re:Who else agrees by misleb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not if it continues to utilize the 2.4Ghz range. In most urban areas the 2.4Ghz band is already saturated. I went to install Wifi in one of our satelite offices here in Portland I was able to see 50... that's right 50! other APs in the area. That sucks when there are 3 (4 if you push it) non-overlapping channels available.

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    3. Re:Who else agrees by Spleen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Coffee shops and restaurants are somewhat different businesses. Coffee shops want people to hang around because they'll buy another cup or two. Restaurants on the other hand know that once people have had their meal they are doing spending money there. There are exceptions to that, but it is generally true. If a Restaurant's tables are generally full they want people to eat and then leave. Ever have to wait for a table? Imagine if that place had free WiFi and people stuck around after they ate. People maybe coming to expect it like water and electricity, but having a restroom with running water and electricity isn't going to keep people occupying tables for longer periods of time.

  2. I never understood the T-Mobile/Starbucks deal by vondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aside from airports* and some hotels, wireless is free everywhere that has it. (And what are you going to do, use another airport?)

    Seemingly everywhere now has free wireless: coffee shops, my car dealership, bars, etc. Why on earth would I go to Starbucks and pay $2 for a coffee (not a double soy quad shot latte, a COFFEE) and then pay an extra $10 for a wireless connection?

    That deal was doomed from the start and in today's climate is just silly. The new one is quite realistic.

    * Fort Lauderdale and Jacksonville, I believe, have free wireless at the airport. Nice of them!

    1. Re:I never understood the T-Mobile/Starbucks deal by vondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, the "perception" of public wireless is already that it's free.

    2. Re:I never understood the T-Mobile/Starbucks deal by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Why on earth would I go to Starbucks and pay $2 for a coffee (not a double soy quad shot latte, a
      COFFEE) and then pay an extra $10 for a wireless connection?"

      The second part can be answered by the same reason in the first part... $2 for a coffee indeed! Coffee is free or way cheaper than $2 at many locations, and yet starbucks has built an empire selling $2 coffee with $1-2 in extra sugar and calories dumped in for good measure. Maybe the $10 wireless comes with a big cookie.

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    3. Re:I never understood the T-Mobile/Starbucks deal by milsoRgen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay I like the refill tip you provided, but let's stop. Breath in, exhale... Calm down. It's just coffee. Not really it is, some is good, some is bad. And some people just don't like the Starbucks jive. Shhhh... It's going to be Okay...

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  3. Such a crock by Bombula · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While T-Mobile is hurting

    Somebody call a whaaaaaambulance. For God's sake, the only reason T-Mobile's service had any operating costs was because they were trying to charge customers money. When you give away wi-fi for free, as most places are doing now - and not just coffee houses - it costs virtually nothing. What, $400 for a cheap PC and wireless router that any 15 year old employee knows how to run backwards and forwards?

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  4. Re:Information wants to be free... by poetmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so basically its not free. Not a surprise there. Also means its not going to generate any more business than the current plan does, which is not exactly extravagant I'm sure. I guess it's going to be a while before they figure out that catering to customers is a good thing.

  5. Re:What? Americans PAY? by jwietelmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For every Starbucks here in the USA that charges for Wifi, there's a mom 'n' pop or local chain coffeehouse across the street that offers it for free.

    In fact, I've heard that a sure way to open a successful independent coffee shop is to open one right by a Starbucks. They've already done all the research on the location for you, and given a choice, I think a lot of people prefer to support the little guy and enjoy a less commercial atmosphere.

  6. Re:Wifi should be free by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if anyone tries to charge, they should be hacked, or their establishment burnt to the ground.
    Or you could just chose to do business with a more wifi-friendly place, instead of being psychotic and thinking of physical damage.

    Sheesh.

  7. Re:Coffee is NOT the business... by neBelcnU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, sorry: Caribou, S'bucks et al are NOT really in the coffee business. Coffee's the apparent center, I'll agree, but the real foundations of the business are very different. S'bucks--at one time--said they wanted to form the basis of a new civil forum. A place to share with other people. Oh yeah, and have some coffee.

    Look, movie theaters stopped being in the "movie business" when Hollywood took 100% of the door. (70's in major markets, ubiquitous by mid 80's) That's when they became "Quik E Marts with moving pictures on the back wall." McDonalds, I'm told, is not principally in the burger biz: they own/control so much primo real estate that their worth is not in meat served but in land owned.

    Your store is trying to make a place for meeting, and hoping to capitalize on that by selling coffee and sundries to those who chose to meet there. So it's the place first, then the coffee. Wifi's part of the decor, do it right, sell more coffee.

    Put another way: if WiFi were a cost in excess of return, your bosses would be enforcing that "one card per purchase" rule with an iron fist. So like you said, it's not worth the hassle: give it away upon request. That's a high enough bar for the boardroom, it should be for you too.

    And relax about the schlubs in the seats. If turnover were an issue, your bosses' bonuses would depend on solving the problem. (Imagine: A norovirus policy, wherein the whole place needs to be bleached every 90 minutes. Turnover problem solved.)