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'Porn King' Says Google Should Block Porn Access

mikesd81 writes "The Register has a story saying that one of the world's biggest porn producers wants Google and other search sites to put up barriers between kids and adult entertainment. 'Steven Hirsch, the co-chairman and co-founder of Vivid Entertainment, is to deliver this message on Saturday in New Haven, Connecticut as he addresses an army of Yale University MBA candidates. "Responsible companies in the adult industry such as ours have done a great deal to deter minors from accessing adult material," Hirsch proclaims from inside a Vivid press release. "None of the search engines and portals, but particularly Yahoo and Google, has taken any significant steps in this direction.'"

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  1. Oh the Humanity! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Steven Hirsch: "Won't somebody please think of my profit margins ... *cough* I mean ... children?!"

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    1. Re:Oh the Humanity! by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google already has a "Safe Search" feature on google images that's enabled by default and blocks (or attempts at any rate) pornographic images. I see no reason to implement something similar in the regular search results, as you won't see anything unless you click through to the site anyway. I'm going to be supremely pissed if I have to start clicking a "Yes I'm 18 or older" link every time I want to do a damn search on google because of this stupid whining. Google is not a "content provider", they are a content aggregator, the fact that they attempt to categorize and sort the content is incidental and they can't be held responsible for it because they didn't actually create it and therefor cannot guarantee it's been identified properly.

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    2. Re:Oh the Humanity! by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because Google isn't a porn site?
      Really? Do an image search for some porn. See all those thumbnails? Generated by Google's own software and hosted on Googles own servers. And in doing this research did you happen to notice the "Safe Search" feature that blocks those images unless you agree to view them?
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    3. Re:Oh the Humanity! by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do an image search for porn. The image filter is on by default. If it's not filtering, it's broken.

      Also, if parents let their kids search for porn on Google, it's up to the parents to stop it, not Google. Google is not a Net Nanny (TM) nor should it be one.

      Now, I do see an aftermarket opportunity for value-added software to work with Google, Inc., to develop filters that parents, schools, and others who want "child-friendly" computers can use that will greatly reduce adult-oriented material in Google search results. Even better if the major p0rn industry players help out.

      Just keep the government out and don't make me sign in to avoid the filters.

      Not that I want porn, I just don't want filters.
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    4. Re:Oh the Humanity! by dpilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's not concerned about people with "safe search" checked. He's fussing over people without it checked getting access to his images without his getting any money for it.

      Or you could say that he's either "insufficiently diligent" or "insufficiently knowledgeable" to protect images on his sites from deep searching.

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    5. Re:Oh the Humanity! by mental666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The OP brings up a very good issue. Webmasters should have a means to tell search engines what type of content is ok to index vs what kind is not. For instance, a plain text file at the document root that spelled out what subpaths were ok to spider and cache or not. We could establish a convention for this directive. Perhaps a convention of calling this file of directives something consistent across sites... a 'robots.txt' if you will. Oh..... wait.....

      Seriously though, perhaps it is time to extend robots.txt to include more metadata about more conditions where content can be spidered. Simple augmentation of paths with a few tags such as NSFW, Pr0n, and goatse could go a long way to helping.... blah blah.. insert semantic web tripe here....

    6. Re:Oh the Humanity! by xaxa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd be more worried as a parent if I saw my 14 year old son searching 'guns' on Google than 'porn'. The default filter doesn't block guns -- and it shouldn't. I don't think it should block porn either.

    7. Re:Oh the Humanity! by mental666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, the abuse is a side issue. I understood the article as someone trying to push the burden of not displaying smut onto google. The reality is that had they implemented a sane robots.txt file in the first place, this would never have happened.

      So, from the perspective of liability, IMO the webmaster is responsible for exercising due diligence in creating a robots.txt that would have prevented booby thumbnails from turning up on google when little johnny was searching for legos (spelled 'big titty chicks', but he really meant legos... his mom swears).

      Now, in that circumstance abuse or compliance of the contents of a robots.txt file still falls to the site owner and not some third party (google).

      Are there flaws in my idea? Certainly, it's the product of 5 minutes of thought and a bit of sarcasm. However, it seems to me that demanding google or any other search engine not show porn it spidered is silly especially since google actually honors robots.txt. Were the situation different I would argue that if a webmaster doesn't want something spidered you should adhere to that.

  2. Title is incorrect by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should read:
    'Porn King' Says Google Should Block Internet Competition As It Hurts Video Sales

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  3. Translation: by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Translation: It isn't OUR fault that children can see porn on the Net, it's Google's and Yahoo's, since they don't filter search results for children. (Which is not actually entirely true in either case.)

  4. is it on the internet? by SoupGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use a search engine to search the internet.

    There is pr0n on the internet.

    I think it's pretty simple...

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  5. All about Free Porn by Alsee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Responsible companies in the adult industry such as ours have done a great deal to deter minors from accessing adult material"

    Ah, no. I think they have been doing what they can do deter non-paying people from accessing adult material. When a 16-year-old types in a valid credit card number there really isn't anything they sanely can or should be expected to do to prove how old that person actually is. But heay, the fact that minors generally don't have credit cards sure is a handy-dandy public relations score for them.

    And oh joy, now the porn industry wants to do as much as they can to make Google suppress all the free competition out there. Thanks but no thanks. Google is merely building a "phone book" of addresses out there and it is not reasonable or possible for them to play policemen judging each site out there if it is "acceptable" or "not acceptable", and it is not reasonable or sane to demand Google play policemen on who is forbidden to look up what phone numbers in the phone book.

    Google's already going above and beyond what they need to do in offering their "safesearch" option and (if I'm not mistaken) defaulting it to on. No demand or expectation that safesearch is supposed to be accurate, just a "whatever effort we felt like putting into a maybe useful but not necessarily accurate automated grouping" sort of thing, and an if you don't like the results don't use it sort of thing.

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  6. Re:XXX domain names. by rs79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "None of which are content classification. Tell me, should a pornography museum be under .xxx or .museum? DNS is not a content classification system and is totally unsuited for such (mis-)use."

    This is not a subtantive argument demonstrating the idea will not work. Just an edge-case that probably nobody cares about.

    "Um, yeah, and if 13-year-olds stopped looking for dirty pictures on the web, that'd solve the problem too. That's not going to happen either."

    Of course not. Nothing will stop a determined 13 year old. But an 8 year old that types "pussy" into google? That's different.

    The key here I think is "progess not perfection".

    I don't have a dog in this fight, I jsut think it's funny a solution is sought to what some perceive is a problem and a fairly elegant tehnical solution almost made the light of day but was squashed by the Bush administration; the net effect of which keeps porn in "the mainstream".

    I love irony like this. I live for it.

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