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Possibility of Life On Mars Looking More Remote

Riding with Robots writes "The never-say-die robotic geologist Opportunity continues its extended explorations in Victoria Crater on Mars. The latest findings from the mission suggest that while plenty of water did exist in this location, it was so salty that life would have a very hard time gaining a foothold. 'Not all water is fit to drink,' said Andrew Knoll, a member of the rover science team. 'At first, we focused on acidity, because the environment would have been very acidic. Now, we also appreciate the high salinity of the water when it left behind the minerals Opportunity found. This tightens the noose on the possibility of life.'"

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  1. Dead Sea by davidc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suppose it hasn't occurred to them that the rover might be in a Martian equivalent of the Dead Sea? There are plenty of inhospitable places on Earth, too.

    1. Re:Dead Sea by davidc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a frozen dustball now. Many years ago, who knows? And Earth was supposed to have had a poisonous atmosphere a long time ago (similar to the one we're trying to create nowadays :-)

  2. Re:How is this news?? by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think it's a question of 'is' there life on Mars. It's more like 'was' there life at any point in it's history.

  3. Re:Please Stop already.... by neonmonk · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a chance of the existence of A HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL? Possibly somewhere in the region of my pants??? The fact that there is even a chance I must now search high and low! I Believe!

  4. Re:How is this news?? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Funny
    Am I the only who has, for tears, 'known' that there is no life on Mars?

    Yes the idea that the life on Mars is all off looking for the remote would be so much more believable if they had like found a TV or something.

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  5. Bit early to say that by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The rovers [can] do in a day what a skilled field geologist can do in 30 seconds." -- Steve Squyres.

    Squyres was given the 2005 Wired Rave Award for science by Wired for overseeing the creation of Spirit and Opportunity that had, at the time, lasted thirteen times longer than expected.

    As we approach sol 1500, this means the rovers have done about 12.5 hours of field geology. And that's being generous, as Squyres was talking about the combined work of both rovers and only one of the rovers has been operating at full capacity.

    So maybe, just maybe, Andrew Knoll is a little premature in declaring the planet dead.

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  6. Too salty? by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too salty? Is there such a thing? Here on Earth we've found life everywhere where there's energy and liquid water: even apparently-unliveable places like the nuclear waste tanks at Hanford or the superheated water of deep-ocean vents. Excessively salty water might kill off life not adapted to it, but there's no fundamental reason why life can't form in extreme saltwater.

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    1. Re:Too salty? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Let's not forget the most unlikely place where we've found life: the human stomach. It was assumed for over a century that the stomach was just too acidic for microbial life.. then some Australian medical researchers claimed to have discovered microbes that live in the stomach and were literally laughed at for decades before they managed to culture them. Robin Warren and Barry Marshall won the Nobel prize for medicine in 2005 after showing the bacterium Helicobacter pylori plays a key role in the development of both stomach and intestinal ulcers.

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  7. Late Breaking News: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny
    Optimism continued to make inroads today across the community as K'Breel, Speaker for the most Illustrious Council of Elders, stated that the Council's latest plan to feed misinformation to the robotic minions of the sinister blue planet were bearing fruit.

    "Gentle Citizens, today I stand before you proud as a gerlsh in the first heivtning, positively quirlly to bring you the news that the devices of terror, sent unto us by the hideous inhabitants of the evil blue planet, have been duped by our clever plan! By sowing the soil in their path with the poisonous gretch-sand, we have convinced the credulous fools that life cannot possibly exist here. Thinking our planet a horrible wasteland of gretch-sand, instead of the vibrant paradise we know it to be, the disgusting creatures of the evil blue planet will doubtless abandon their nefarious schemes to annex our world! Rejoice with me, pod-mates! This is the turning point!"


    When a certain impertinent youngling pointed out that there have been so many 'turning points' in this terrible conflict that surely, the Illustrious Council must by dizzy by this time, K'breel denounced him as a traitor and decreed that his gelsacs be lacerated until he admitted his guilt and confessed his onerous crimes. The youngling confessed later that evening, and was immediately executed for his awful crimes.
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  8. Re:How is this news?? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Funny
    There's a difference between life and advanced, intelligent life.

    We are still waiting for the second down here on earth.

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  9. Re:Please Stop already.... by mmalove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, given that we probably couldn't completely 100.00000000000% sterilize what we sent there, the next question is:

    Is there life on Mars now? (that we've been there)

    Sooner or later, we're gonna find our own bacteria on Mars if we keep sending stuff there.

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  10. Re:How is this news?? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Funny

    You act all surprised. Guess how shocked I was when I found out this story had nothing to do with televisions.

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  11. Re:How is this news?? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only who has, for tears, 'known' that there is no life on Mars?

    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
    - Carl Sagan

  12. Assumptions... by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time I read an article like this, I'm amazed at how the term "life" is used. They don't mean life, they mean "life, as we know it on earth" (and often even more restrictive than that). Looking at the extremophiles right here on earth should be enough to see that life can adapt to many "unsuitable" environments. Are these people really that myopic?

    If I'm not mistaken, the lethality of salty environments (for "life as we know it") is related to osmatic pressure at a cellular level. Too many assumptions there to rule out realistic adaptations (and "adaptation" assumes that the lifeform originated in a different situation) to such an environment.

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    1. Re:Assumptions... by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seems that NASA is well aware of extremophiles, but even considering the range of environments that support life here, there's still a limit. There is no life on Earth that exists without water, nor is there an alternative solvent available on Mars. There is no life on Earth that exists outside of a relatively tight temperature band (as far as the cosmos go, -50 C to 150 C is pretty narrow). There is no life on Earth that is able to survive a temperature swing of more than 100 C. Etc.

      Maybe there's silicon-based life somewhere in the cosmos, but the chemical reactions that are required to sustain carbon-based life have certain limits. Temperature, pressure, the availability of certain minerals and the availability of water are chief among them.

    2. Re:Assumptions... by ridgecritter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah - We have one data set from one location (Earth) regarding conditions that can give rise to life. To say that energy-driven local entropy-minimizing systems couldn't have arisen because it was too salty is more a comment on the limitations of the declaimant's thought than illumination of the range of conditions in which life might occur.

  13. Re:mickeymousehasgrownupacow by sighted · · Score: 4, Informative

    David Bowie lyrics from the early 70s: "It's on America's tortured brow That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow. .... Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever know He's in the best selling show Is there life on Mars?"

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