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Delays to Canadian DMCA Could Doom Act

Jabbrwokk writes "Michael Geist reports legislation to create a Canadian version of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act has been delayed again, possibly because of massive public outcry, and possibly even because of opposition from the industry itself. Canada's biggest ISPs have banded together to oppose the proposed new legislation and suggest their own solution, which include allowances for expanded fair dealing, private copying, no liability for ISPs and legislation that concentrates its wrath on commercial pirates instead of penny-ante downloaders and seeders.'"

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  1. Once more ... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... look to the north for the "land of the free".

    Imagine, proposing laws that might actually be fair and balanced? What will those crazy Canucks do next?!?

    1. Re:Once more ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... look to the north for the "land of the free".

      Imagine, proposing laws that might actually be fair and balanced? What will those crazy Canucks do next?!? Get rid of their Monarchy?
    2. Re:Once more ... by kpoole55 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The monarchy is only a figurehead. We control our own constitution now. And, it sounds like the government might actually be listening to the people at times other than when an election is due.

    3. Re:Once more ... by Warll · · Score: 1

      We're the closets we've been to an election for a while now. With that said when are we not close to an election, its a minority government after all.

    4. Re:Once more ... by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We basically have, the Queen (and/or 'Future King') is a figurehead, and little more...

      The extent of her power is basically just being able to bitch if she wants to, but we dont have to actually listen to her.

      "The Canadian constitution places the Queen as head of state, and all Canadian laws and treaties must be approved by her. In reality, an appointed governor acts as her representative, and for all intents and purposes, decisions made by the Canadian parliament are never opposed. Thus, the Queen exercises virtually no political power in Canada."

      We even excerised this during WW2... "Oh Britain is declaring War?... we'll wait"... sure it was only a day, but if the Queen/King had actual power over us that would have caused quite the turmoil.

    5. Re:Once more ... by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      If that is the case, then it it even more ridiculous. So instead of having someone in power, you have a "figurehead" that has no power, but gets paid like someone who does.

      Having a powerless figurehead is an idiotic waste.

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    6. Re:Once more ... by Vectronic · · Score: 3, Informative

      I Agree, however in this case you are wrong...

      We dont pay the Queen anything, she is simply a Figurehead... consider her the Eagle to the US... you dont pay the Eagle anything, hell you are killing them all... but you still put the damn thing on anything you can find...

      However, we do pay for whatever she needs when she is actually within our Borders, ie: "All Expenses Paid"... transportation, housing, protection, etc, etc.

    7. Re:Once more ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      We are killing our eagles?

      The population is growing by a large amount, not lowering. It's basically the opposite of what you are saying.

    8. Re:Once more ... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      The Queen of Canada? hahaha. Sure, we keep her picture on the $20 bill, and some of the coins, but that's about it.

      The office of Governor-General is "where the buck stops" nowadays in terms of the monarchy, and while its' a position appointed by the queen, its only after the "advice" of the Canadian government - in reality, its a political sinecure made by whoever's in power at the time. The "queen" would be ill-advised to ignore the "advice."

      Its the same with the "oath of allegience to the queen" that MPs swear to when taking their seat after winning an election - its now recognized as being solely ceremonial, and non-binding.

      School kids don't pledge allegience to the flag, the queen, the country, or anyone or anything.

      Yes, this is quite a change from, say, 50 years ago, but the behaviour of the Queenie's kids (Dumbo the Clown Prince - a.k.a. Chuckles the Clown - in particular) had a lot to do with the decline in the monarchy's perceived suitability as a figurehead.

    9. Re:Once more ... by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      lol... even though the population has roughly doubled since the 1970's... its still only about 2 t 3% of what it once was...

      My point was, that you put it on your money, your Coats of Arms, schools, etc its your National Emblem...meaningwhile anhilating the species, doesnt matter if it was now, or 40 years ago... its been your emblem for some 200 years, just like Canda has had a relationship with the British Monarchy for about the same amount of time... but we sure as hell dont assassinate members of the Monarchy...

    10. Re:Once more ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We screwed up and were trying to fix it, while you keep the status quo.

    11. Re:Once more ... by ls+-la · · Score: 2, Informative

      We are killing our eagles?

      The population is growing by a large amount, not lowering. It's basically the opposite of what you are saying. Now it's growing, but we were the reason they became so endangered in the first place.
    12. Re:Once more ... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I'm very proud to be Canadian for several reasons, and one of them is our stance on Copyright and fair use. I quiver in fear (as I commented in my blog just yesterday) at the thought of us introducing draconian DMCA-like legislation, but I think in general Canadians really do get it more than our American counterparts.

      Most telling is how the ISPs and judges have stood on these issues in the past. A judge in Canada recently compared the use of file sharing software having illegal uses to a photocopier in a library being usable for illegally reproducing entire books. Do you remove photocopiers from libraries just because they could be used for illegal purposes? Exactly.

      Lets hope, pray and protest to keep these rights.

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    13. Re:Once more ... by MikeUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think this parallel between the monarchy/figureheads in Canada and the eagle in the US is being taken just a little too literally now.

    14. Re:Once more ... by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Lol, I agree. I was just making a point, even if I wasn't completely correct. Dunno how it turned into this?

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    15. Re:Once more ... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And, it sounds like the government might actually be listening to the people at times other than when an election is due. I think I figured out why government is so screwed up. Politicians are basically megaphones. What goes in comes out louder. At election time, good ideas go in, good ideas get spewed back out. After the election, BS from lobbyists goes in, and BS comes back out. Now if only we could make them into voice recorders instead...
    16. Re:Once more ... by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but the Canadians have wisely avoided killing their queens or destroying their habitat. As a consequence, the queen population has remained relatively constant over the years, while our eagle populations fell dramatically.

      When was the last time you saw a queen breeding center make releases into the wild to help restore local royalty populations?

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    17. Re:Once more ... by alext · · Score: 1

      A trifle harsh? He's been more use than some figureheads we could mention... ahead of the game, even, in his batty way.

    18. Re:Once more ... by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Having a powerless figurehead is an idiotic waste.

      Oh, I dunno about that. It gives the People somebody to throw beer bottles at when they're pissed off at Government while the real Bad Guys leave town...

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    19. Re:Once more ... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      eh, i wouldn't say it's a waste. being as the GG is the official head-of-state, he/she deals with all the ceremonial stuff (foreign visits, etc.), leaving the PM able to do actual work.

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    20. Re:Once more ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your username was definitely the kicker.

    21. Re:Once more ... by pokerdad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most telling is how the ISPs and judges have stood on these issues in the past. A judge in Canada recently compared the use of file sharing software having illegal uses to a photocopier in a library being usable for illegally reproducing entire books. Do you remove photocopiers from libraries just because they could be used for illegal purposes? Exactly.

      While I agree with you, I think there is an important point to be made about why this is much more possible in Canada that the US.

      In the US 90% of all media are controlled by just six companies; they make virtually all the movies, music, and television seen by Americans. They also have a sizable stake of the ISP business. This gives them both economic motive to accert the kind of control they do, and the muscle to do it (both monetary muscle, and the immense power they can have over public opinion via what they choose to put on the news).

      In Canada the situation is very different. We don't have any media conglomerates comparable to those in the states. Our movie industry, after being practically dead for half a century, exists now primarly as a cheap shooting location for American productions. While we have a music industry, in every measurable way foreign, especially American, music has dominated for a very long time. While we have plenty of home grown television stations, except for cbc they tend to show only as much Canadian content as CRTC regulations require; its quite telling that of the top 20 shows in Canada the past few years only two are Canadian (Hockey Night in Canada and Corner Gas), and before Corner Gas became such a hit HNIC spent something like a decade all alone.

      In a very real way there is a huge irony to the way American media companies have come to hate Canada. The situation in Canada, where we only produce a tiny fraction of the media we view, is entirely because of economic bullying from American content producers; quite simply they drove Canadian companies out of business. So our media companies have practically no stake in the production of content and as such barely care about things like DMCA. The media companies not having a stake means that not only do they not see draconian measures as not helping them, but it would hurt them in so far as it would create expenses for them with little reward.

      On more than one occassion various industry groups in the US have threatened to cut Canada off if we don't do something about copyright infringement. And while I really don't think they have the balls to do it, I think it would benefit us greatly if it did; possibly breathing new life into industries long dominated by American content.

    22. Re:Once more ... by the+brown+guy · · Score: 1

      "We control our own constitution now." Not really, any changes to the consitution must be signed by the Governer General (appointed representatve of the Queen).

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    23. Re:Once more ... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      And the day the governor-general refuses to sign a law without a very good reason is the day that we become a republic.

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    24. Re:Once more ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      There actually is a Queen Breeding Centre in Toronto, located at Church and Wellesley.

    25. Re:Once more ... by HartDev · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, I can't find a decent job in Utah, and I gotta go to Canada for the summer to afford school down here!

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    26. Re:Once more ... by gobbo · · Score: 1

      Get rid of their Monarchy?

      Hey, I'm a municipal libertarian-leaning sovereigntist, but I think the ridiculous monarchy situation is kind of cool, given other political circumstances. Among other things, it means:

      • that our nominal head of state is an immigrant black woman;
      • that most of our land base is actually public;
      • that our ties to the Commonwealth persist;
      • that immigrants have a weirdly familiar authoritarian structure to cotton on to without real-world effects;
      • that with a bit of folding you can turn the head on our bills of currency into a mushroom, FTW!
    27. Re:Once more ... by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      I promise you that any political party that backs this act in Canada will probably be shooting itself in the foot for the youth vote for probably, the remaining existence of that political party. That's my take on it ...

    28. Re:Once more ... by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Blame the Liberals for introducing it when they were in power.
      Blame the Conservatives for keeping it.
      Hell just blame the government in general

    29. Re:Once more ... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think this parallel between the monarchy/figureheads in Canada and the eagle in the US is being taken just a little too literally now.

      Indeed, the Queen probably won't crap on your car.

    30. Re:Once more ... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On more than one occassion various industry groups in the US have threatened to cut Canada off if we don't do something about copyright infringement.

      I double-dog dare them to. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot by eliminating 26-million easily-accessible customers (English-speaking Canadians). But, more importantly, they wouldn't do it because they know that their rhetoric is bullshit.

    31. Re:Once more ... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      consider her the Eagle to the US... you dont pay the Eagle anything, hell you are killing them all... but you still put the damn thing on anything you can find

      Yeah, but who the hell would want to put the Queen on a hotdog bun?

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    32. Re:Once more ... by thirty-seven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having a powerless figurehead is an idiotic waste.

      I disagree, for two reasons. One is that, as another poster pointed out, a head of state's job includes a lots of things other than exercising power: hosting state diners, doing good-will tours, giving out awards. Why not keep these roles with a specialized non-political head of state, and separate out the head of government roles (making foreign and domestic administrative policy decisions) into a political position with power.

      Secondly, and more controversially, I think that there are great socio-political benefits to having a "figurehead" who represents the state and/or nation. Having spent a fair amount of time living in both the United States and Canada, it is my opinion that the US political culture is actually more suited to a constitutional monarchy than Canada is. There seems to be a sizable group of Americans who have an almost mystical respect for the presidency, treating it as a holy office that must be kept sacred. This can lead to horror and hatred that anyone would question George W. Bush "during time of war" and also to an overreaction to Bill Clinton's sexual affair sullying the presidency. In a constitutional monarchy, such people can worship the office of the head of state without interfering with or polarizing valid political criticism, since the person who gets criticized for making political decisions, the prime minister, does not occupy an office revered as representing the state/nation, in the way that some people view the presidency or monarchy as doing.

      As an aside, a large majority of developed, democratic countries has figurehead heads of state, even though most of these countries are republics, not constitutional monarchies. They have a parliamentary system with a prime minister making most executive decisions, but instead of a monarch they have a president, sometimes directly elected by the people (Ireland), chosen by Parliament (Germany), or elected by an electoral college (India). In these systems the president is mostly a figurehead, with about the same power (or even less) than the Queen has in Canada.

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    33. Re:Once more ... by evil_morg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear Citizens of America,

      In view of your failure to elect a competent President and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

      Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy), as from Monday next.

      Your new prime minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

      To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

      1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium," and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.

      2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour', 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise."

      3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh' is pronounced 'burra'; you may elect to spell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you find you simply can't cope with correct pronunciation.

      4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up "vocabulary"). Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.

      5. There is no such thing as "US English." We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize."

      6. You will relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen",
      but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above).

      7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd will
      be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in England. It will be called "Come-Uppance Day."

      8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.

      9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

      10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

      11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion tables... Both roundabouts and metrification will help you understand the British sense of humour.

      12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling "gasoline") - roughly $8/US per gallon. Get used to it.

      13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call french fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called "crisps." Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with malt vinegar.

      14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.

      15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as "beer," and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as "Lager." American brands will be referred to as "Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine," so that all can be sol

    34. Re:Once more ... by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome if they cut us off! The Canadian content business would flourish. Plus, we can pirate all the US content we want and not pay a dime! 100% of profits staying in Canada. That would be brilliant!

    35. Re:Once more ... by stormguard2099 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed, the Queen probably won't crap on your car. I'm horrified that you felt it neccesary to include "probably" in your statement.
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    36. Re:Once more ... by i*rod · · Score: 1

      "their Monarchy." hasn't invaded Iraq or engaged in parsing your email, waterboarding prisoners, or put their country under a $57 trillion Federal Debt which, if you read the papers, no one has the courage to admit yet. Mais; chacun à son goût, eh?

    37. Re:Once more ... by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

      The Governor General, though officially appointed by the Queen, is generally named by the Government.

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    38. Re:Once more ... by gslj · · Score: 1

      As part of my job, I explain to students from republican governments how the parliamentary system and constitutional monarchy, as practiced in Canada, makes sense. To me, it is silly to have to respect a politician as a symbol of my country. Split the jobs: non-political symbol, non-symbolic politician. However, I think that the British comedy group "Beyond the Fringe" put it well in one of their skits.

      Person 1: However, there is a sense in which Lyndon Johnson is the Queen and Prime Minister rolled into one.
      Person 2: One what?
      Person 1: Exactly!

      -Gareth

    39. Re:Once more ... by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      And the day the governor-general refuses to sign a law ...is the day US invades canada like it did Panama to "liberate" canada from tyranny of the Queen.
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    40. Re:Once more ... by Kuros_overkill · · Score: 2, Informative

      I always thought it was more of a rubber stamp sort of thing.

    41. Re:Once more ... by the+brown+guy · · Score: 1

      It is a rubber stamp sort of thing, but I believe that there were 2 times in history when the Governer General has not signed.

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    42. Re:Once more ... by Phisbut · · Score: 1

      We dont pay the Queen anything, she is simply a Figurehead

      While we don't pay Elizabeth II anything (other than all her expenses when she comes to visit), we do pay a hefty sum of money to have a vice-regal that represents the Queen and is just as useless. So we do pay to have a powerless monarch.

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  2. Seriously Canada by usul294 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know you've been lobbying for years to get me to move up north. The nice people, clean air, beautiful outdoors, universal healthcare, and now apparently a somewhat more laissez-faire approach to copyright law. Look, maybe if you rig the election to put Hillary Clinton in the White House, I might consider moving.

    1. Re:Seriously Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry no can do, but we'll throw in a case of real canadian beer.

    2. Re:Seriously Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your very own canadian-bottled Milwaukees Best...

      (shhh, no one say anything).

    3. Re:Seriously Canada by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know you've been lobbying for years to get me to move up north. The nice people, clean air, beautiful outdoors, universal healthcare, and now apparently a somewhat more laissez-faire approach to copyright law. Look, maybe if you rig the election to put Hillary Clinton in the White House, I might consider moving.

      We're a mite peeved at the US right now - you were supposed to KEEP Celine Dion! It was a win-win ... we got rid of her, and she kept your old people indoors at the casinos, feeding their Social Security checks to the one-armed bandits.

      And you've gone and devalued your dollar to the point where Canadians earning the Canadian minimum wage can afford to vacation in the US ... or buy a foreclosed house as a vacation home ...

      What next - reimpose the draft so we'll be flooded with asylum-seeking draft-dodgers? What's up with that, eh? Are we going to have to burn down the White House again?

    4. Re:Seriously Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time we elected a woman to lead Canada she got bored after a few weeks, took her pension, and went home. Why did America have to pick THAT month to not start a war somewhere???

    5. Re:Seriously Canada by schon · · Score: 2, Informative

      The last time we elected a woman to lead Canada she got bored after a few weeks, took her pension, and went home. The last time? When have Canadians ever elected a woman to lead Canada?

      The only female PM in our history (Kim Campbell) was one that took over after the previous PM retired.
    6. Re:Seriously Canada by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually we don't elect anyone leader. We elect our local MP and whichever party has the most MP's usually appoints the PM. The PM doesn't even have to be elected at all though traditionally he is.

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    7. Re:Seriously Canada by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Governor-General appoints the PM. Traditionally the leader of the party with the most seats in Parliament, or the leader of a coalition of two or more parties representing the majority of the members of Parliament. True though, is that the PM doesn't have to be a sitting member, but nearly always is either a member of the Commons or of the Senate.

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    8. Re:Seriously Canada by dryeo · · Score: 1

      True that it is the Governor-General who appoints the PM but almost always (s)he appoints whoever has the confidence of Parliament which is usually the party with the most seats. I believe there has been a couple of exceptions. Once when the PM had the support of 2 parties who out numbered the leading party and IIRC in the same parliament when the government lost a vote of confidence the Governor-General invited the leader of the opposition to form a government. This pissed of quite a few people at the time and IIRC he couldn't get the confidence of parliament and an election was called the next week.
      Ok according to wikipedia I remember correctly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_Affair

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  3. Its the beer stupid by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    or I wish it was that simple, then we could all chip in $10 and get D.C. flooded with the stuff. Something in Canada seems to be affecting their politics. If we could bottle it I'm certain that an American entrepreneur could make money off of it. Whatever it is, the US desperately needs some of it... well, lots of it.

    I've been pleasantly surprised how the Internet has been affecting politics in the US lately, and I hope that it's a long term ongoing effect. I hope that WHATEVER it is in Canada is something that spreads southward like those geese they have, or something.

    1. Re:Its the beer stupid by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      I think the only real dividing difference, is that our Government (with an obvious slight bias) listens to its people as a primary consideration, not as an afterthought.

      Plus, we have had 2 Minority Governments in a row... which just amplifies it.

    2. Re:Its the beer stupid by Telvin_3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Biggest difference in Canada? We have a habit of tossing out political parties that piss us off. We can get away with it because there are 4-5 major parties active at any one time, so easy enough to out with the old and in with the new. And there is always a couple parties that have to compete to be the new big dogs.

      And when we get rid of a party, they are gone. In 1993, one of the Conservative parties passed unpopular tax laws. They went from controlling 57% of the seats to controlling .6% (2 out of 295). Do that once or twice and your politicians will get the message.

    3. Re:Its the beer stupid by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I think that is exactly what we need in the US... more than two parties. Sure, there are more than two, but everything is fixed so that only one of the two parties can prevail without something that approaches the scale of blow back that marie antionette experienced.

      There are those of us who hold out hope that the Intarwebtubetrucks will help bring on that scale of blow back, but history is a stern teacher, and bribery is addictive.

      Perhaps the founding fathers had more foresight than anyone gives them credit for. That second amendment is looking more and more necessary every day.

    4. Re:Its the beer stupid by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's less about having multiple parties... and more to do with parliamentary procedure. In Canada, if the ruling party proposes a bill and is defeated, the entire government MUST RESIGN and an election is held. It only takes ONE bill to bring down the government and give the other guys a shot. The logic is that if the ruling party tables a bill that fails to pass, then clearly the ruling party is no longer in favor with the people. This has a tendency to keep out the most insane of laws.

      And while we only have two "major" parties (the Liberals and Conservatives), there are plenty of "significant minority" parties out there. In controversial cases these guys actually do have a say, whereas in the US you're either Republican, Democrat, or you have no say at all.

    5. Re:Its the beer stupid by yesteraeon · · Score: 5, Informative

      I certainly agree that we're not quite as bad off as the U.S. with their two party system, but you've overstated the case quite a bit. First of all, at the federal level there are only 3 national parties that actually win seats in the House (I'm not sure where you got 4-5 from). Secondly, only two parties -Liberals and Conservatives- have ever controlled the federal government. Lastly, as much fun as it was to watch the Conservatives implode in 1993, that event left us with only the Liberals having a realistic shot at winning elections. As a result, we basically had a ONE party system from 1993-2004. Which, as far as democracy goes, is pretty bad.

    6. Re:Its the beer stupid by Telvin_3d · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just to note, the only bills that can bring down the government are budgets. They can also designate other bills as a non-confidence bill when they want to signal that the other parties better be serious if they want to oppose it. No one is going to bring down the government and trigger an election over a minor bill.

    7. Re:Its the beer stupid by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, right now we have the Conservatives, the Liberals, the Bloc and the NDP. That makes 4. In the past decade or so, there was the Reform party and the Alliance. If you go back into the 80s and 90s I think you can add another one or two that had seats in parliament. Heck, the Green party tends to come close to a seat or two each election. Also always a few independents with seats.

      Yeah, and look what happened to the Liberals when they got comfortable. I don't think the number of parties in control matters quite as much as having the afraid for their jobs.

    8. Re:Its the beer stupid by aniefer · · Score: 1

      In Canada, if the ruling party proposes a bill and is defeated, the entire government MUST RESIGN and an election is held. It only takes ONE bill to bring down the government and give the other guys a shot.

      This is true and has always been the case historically. What I don't understand is the complaints from the current opposition whenever the government declares that a vote will be a confidence matter. Every vote used to be a confidence matter.

      Actually, I lied when I said I don't understand it. The opposition simply wants to vote down everything the government puts forward, without the consequences of the election that that would normally cause.

    9. Re:Its the beer stupid by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, I would respectfully ask the moderators to please mod the parent post up.

      Thank you kindly.

      - RG>

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    10. Re:Its the beer stupid by dryeo · · Score: 1

      While true lately, mostly due to the minority governments, often the government doesn't listen at all. The best example I remember was Mulroney's government pushing through NAFTA and the GST.
      Unluckily a majority government isn't much different then a dictatorship excepting having to call an election sometime in the next 5 yrs.

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    11. Re:Its the beer stupid by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm pretty sure that only monetary bills ( or motions of confidence) can bring down the government. If every minor vote could bring down the government they would fall a lot more often.
      Here is an article about the last government refusing to call an election after losing a vote. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/10/confidence-vote050510.html
      Right now I think what is happening is that all sides want to blame the other side for causing yet another election. Historically the voters get pissed of at any party that causes to many elections and kick them out.

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    12. Re:Its the beer stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not any bill, only one the government designates as a "confidence" vote - like the forthcoming Afghanistan and budget bills.

      And don't forget that Stevie Boy Harper has got away with quite a lot in the past couple of years because the opposition parties have not wanted to bring down the government and be blamed by the electorate for yet another general election.

      Actually, this is more restrictive than in the UK: there the government can lose *any* vote and stay in power, unless it is a Motion of Non Confidence in the Government. This enables party MPs to vote against the party line and yet for the government in the confidence vote.

      Which is probably why the whip system is more powerful in the UK.

    13. Re:Its the beer stupid by GoofyBoy · · Score: 0

      >at the federal level there are only 3 national parties that actually win seats in the House (I'm not sure where you got 4-5 from).

      Liberals
      Conservatives
      NDP
      Bloc
      Green
      (and a whole bunch of little guys, including independents)

      >only two parties -Liberals and Conservatives- have ever controlled the federal government.

      But it doesn't mean that they can pass laws as they pleased because, at certain times, they don't have a simple majority. They need to work with the other parties, just as it is now.

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    14. Re:Its the beer stupid by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know this is a second reply to yours and probably no one will read it, but I just found something that stopped me in my tracks. Having multiple parties in a democratic society has a point of diminishing returns. My initial thinking on this is that the returns begin to diminish once you have more than three sides or parties. If each is capable of taking roughly 30% of the vote, you have a reasonable chance at finding reason and logic in society. Beyond that, the returns begin to get 'squirrely' and unpredictable. In recent months, Ron Paul has shown he has a strong message but is only getting upwards of 15% of the votes. This can be blamed on a number of reasons, but that demonstrates that in the popularity contest that elections become, there is not room for more than about 3 campaigns. The reason can be gleaned from this poll http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/New-Poll-Gauges-Americans-General-Knowledge-Levels.aspx which shows that more people don't know that the Earth revolves around the Sun than voted for Ron Paul. When you pull the votes in 4 or 5 directions, it is simply becoming a popularity contest where someone with 30% of the vote becomes the ruling party. With even more divide in the votes, you get a ruling party built on the votes of even less people.

      I don't care how you feel about that analysis, it's a scary situation. Just as alarming as a ruling elite, because the 25% that voted for the ruling party might just be the same 25% that don't know the earth is not flat!!!

      Are their any sociological statisticians in the house?

      Does anyone have another take on this?

  4. Dear RIAA by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your bribe isn't large enough. Please supply more money and we'll find reasons to fold on our constituents.

    Regards,

    Canadian Parliament

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    1. Re:Dear RIAA by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The bribe looked like a big number until it was converted to Canadian dollars.

    2. Re:Dear RIAA by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Your bribe isn't large enough. Please supply more money and we'll find reasons to fold on our constituents.

      Regards,

      Canadian Parliament

      We would, but your currency is worth more than ours at the moment, which is why the bribe wasn't big enough.

      Tell ya what, we'll hold onto Celine Dion for you. Good enough?

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    3. Re:Dear RIAA by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Deal.

      Take my rights. Please.

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    4. Re:Dear RIAA by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I direct you to here:

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080213.DONATIONS13/TPStory/TPNational/Politics/

      Where Elections Canada told the Liberal party that 'sky is the limit' donations for political fund raising is illegal(the cap is 1,100), and not to do it. In political circles this is just as big a hoopla right now. It's pretty cut and dry.

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  5. Hey, Canada isn't perfect! by mangu · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't they have a tax on all blank media to somewhat "compensate" for illegal copies?


    If the law were fair, making a copy of any copyrighted work on media bought in Canada would be totally legal.

    1. Re:Hey, Canada isn't perfect! by gordguide · · Score: 1

      " ... Don't they have a tax on all blank media to somewhat "compensate" for illegal copies?

      If the law were fair, making a copy of any copyrighted work on media bought in Canada would be totally legal. ..."

      May as well get the nit-picking out of the way. It's not a criticism of your post, but for readers of the thread, we may as well get it right.

      " ... a tax on all blank media ..."
      I think it's fashionable to refer to it as a tax, but it doesn't meet my definition. The Federal Government collects the money on behalf of CIRA [equivalent to RIAA in the US] who distributes it as they see fit to artists. CIRA is not a Government entity and there are no restrictions as to how they may go about determining who gets the cash (which is another story altogether; short answer: Brittany Spears gets lots and indy artists get nothing). The Government remits 100% of the amount collected and pays for the administration out of general revenue; in other words it collects the money on behalf of a third party, has no say in how it's distributed or spent, and does so without compensation; ie at a loss. Call me crazy, but on my planet taxes are, at a minimum, revenue-positive.

      It's also very common to hear people complain that the levy is new and that it first arrived when CD-Rs came on the scene. This is untrue; there have been levies on such things as cassette tapes of a quality suitable for music copying for nearly 30 years in Canada. The US has also experimented with levies; DAT recorders are subject to similar levy distributed to the RIAA in the US; the most significant difference being it's applied to the recording hardware rather than the recording media.

      " ... illegal copies? ..."
      Under the Copyright Act 1998 [Canada] there are legal copies and there are illegal copies. So, there is no "tax on blank media" to compensate anyone for "illegal copies". Just like in the US you can be subject to civil liability and in contrast to the US there are also criminal (felony-only; no misdemeanor option) penalties for illegal copies leading to deprivation of liberty, property and income for offenders.

      If you were to live in Canada and own a "legal copy", it would be easy to describe:
      A copy you, and only you, made personally for your own personal use. You and only you must have operated whatever equipment was used to create the copy, and you must keep the copied version in your possession or destroy it.

      A copy made by your brother and given to you? Go to jail.
      A copy made by your son and loaned to you? Go to jail.
      A copy that was playing on an iPod/Music System while you got a haircut in a salon? Go to jail.
      A copy you found in the trunk of a car you bought? Go to jail.
      A copy you bought? Go to jail.
      Copies you made on media you paid a levy on and sold at a flea market? Go to jail.
      A copy that contained video? Go to jail.

      " ... making a copy of any copyrighted work ..."

      Only audio recordings can be exempted under the Personal Copying provision of the Copyright Act [Canada]. Video or the video portion of an audio-visual work cannot be copied under any circumstances, for example. Ditto for virtually all other works protected by copyright.

      There is one other provision that /.'ers might find interesting:
      In Canada you have a non-revokable right to make backup copies of any computer program, something that many EULA's prohibit. Of course, like any contract, since that provision is specifically contradicted in law in Canada it cannot be enforced by any EULA, and also like any contract, that does not make the balance of the EULA any less enforceable than it would be without the invalid provision.

    2. Re:Hey, Canada isn't perfect! by djmurdoch · · Score: 1
      For trying to get it right, you got a lot of it wrong.

      The Federal Government collects the money on behalf of CIRA [equivalent to RIAA in the US] who distributes it as they see fit to artists. The RIAA equivalent is the CRIA, not the CIRA, and they're not in charge of distributing the levy. It's the CPCC that gets the money. Record companies get a small portion of it.

      If you were to live in Canada and own a "legal copy", it would be easy to describe:
      A copy you, and only you, made personally for your own personal use. You and only you must have operated whatever equipment was used to create the copy, and you must keep the copied version in your possession or destroy it. You're talking about a private copy. You're also allowed to buy copies from a store, and those might be legal. But there's nothing in the law that says you have to keep the private copy in your possession. You just made that up.

      Some of the examples you list have a grain of truth to them (private copies for commercial purposes aren't legal, videos and other works aren't covered), but most are not.
    3. Re:Hey, Canada isn't perfect! by gordguide · · Score: 1

      " ...
      Copying for Private Use

      80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of

      (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,

      (b) a performer's performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or

      (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer's performance of a musical work, is embodied

      onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer's performance or the sound recording.

      (2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the act described in that subsection is done for the purpose of doing any of the following in relation to any of the things referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) to (c):

      (a) selling or renting out, or by way of trade exposing or offering for sale or rental;

      (b) distributing, whether or not for the purpose of trade;

      (c) communicating to the public by telecommunication; or

      (d) performing, or causing to be performed, in public. ..."

      Pay particular attention to Section 80 (2) (b), which is clear enough to me, but if not to you, feel free to search the usual legal decisions where you will find that you can't give the copy to anyone, ever, and the only legal way to dispose of it is to destroy it so it can't inadvertently find itself in someone's possession.

    4. Re:Hey, Canada isn't perfect! by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      I can read section 80(2)(b), and it says I'm not allowed to copy for the purpose of distributing. It doesn't say that after I've copied for some other purpose I'm not allowed to do what I like with the copy.

      Since I don't believe there are any cases where someone has "gone to jail" for giving a private copy to someone else, I am not sure which are the "usual legal decisions" to search to find examples. Can you point to even a single one? I'd be astounded to see a case where someone has even been fined or a reprimanded for doing that in Canada. Show me.

  6. Appologies to John Lennon by apachetoolbox · · Score: 1

    Imagine if Americas politicians listened to massive public outcry.

    http://www.copyrightreform.us/

  7. Wishful thinking.... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Canadian version of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act has been delayed again, possibly because of massive public outcry...
    Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, the reality of practice is that the "public" has no say in these matters. More likely is that different big-money factions haven't yet decided how to portion the money up.
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    1. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Gorshkov · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, the reality of practice is that the "public" has no say in these matters. More likely is that different big-money factions haven't yet decided how to portion the money up.
      Actually, NOT wishful thinking. One of the major differences between Canada and the USA is how parties & campaigns are financed. Personal donations ONLY are accepted - corporate & organizational money is strictly verboten. And in practical terms, the limits on campaign spending are so tight that pretty well any candidate with a hope in hell of winning is able to raise all the money they're allowed to spend from the voters in their riding.

      A lobby group my have more "access" to the lawmakers, by virtue of the fact that they have their offices in Ottawa .... but they can't really buy, or even rent the politicos .... their only weapon is persuasion. Because the politicians know that at the end of the day, the ones who WILL fund their campaign, and/or vote for them, are the people in their riding. Period.
    2. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1
      The Canadian system sounds incredible, I wish I lived there. But actually I was talking about the distribution of money between the ISPs and the media owners. The synopses says...

      Canada's biggest ISPs have banded together to oppose the proposed new legislation...
      Maybe the media owners just haven't offered a big enough cut to the ISPs?
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    3. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Gorshkov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And they couldn't possibly, I don't think. Governments here are a lot more inclined to regulate than they are in the US, and the ISPs are very, very well aware of that. If something like that went through, the ISPs are know damned well all the regulation, requirements, and red tape they'd have to deal with .... and all on their own dime.

      Free markets are a good thing. But sometimes, even just *presence* of a government willing to interfere is enough to make everybody play nice.

    4. Re:Wishful thinking.... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It's a bit too cynical to assume that no politician goes into politics because they want to make the world a better place.

    5. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Anonymous+Commando · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personal donations ONLY are accepted - corporate & organizational money is strictly verboten.

      This is the case at the federal level - provincial legislation is still a bit of a patchwork. My home province (Saskatchewan) still allows campaign contributions from corporations, trade unions, etc. - it's my understanding that many other provinces either ban (Quebec, Manitoba) or restrict (Ontario, New Brunswick) non-personal contributions.

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    6. Re:Wishful thinking.... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Personal donations ONLY are accepted ...for candidates that may be selected democratically, but can be replaced by a candidate of the party leader's choice.

      Also, while the campaign financing restrictions are a Good Thing, they are fairly recent.

      - RG>
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    7. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      Also, while the campaign financing restrictions are a Good Thing, they are fairly recent.
      Restrictions on organizational contributions are new, yes - but there have always been very strict limits, since at least the early '80s, when I first became active. But that's besides the point - the discussion is about the current situation.
    8. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      This is the case at the federal level - provincial legislation is still a bit of a patchwork. My home province (Saskatchewan) still allows campaign contributions from corporations, trade unions, etc. - it's my understanding that many other provinces either ban (Quebec, Manitoba) or restrict (Ontario, New Brunswick) non-personal contributions.
      Agreed - but the discussion is about federal jurisdiction and practice, not provincial.
    9. Re:Wishful thinking.... by chaosdot · · Score: 1

      That does sound ideal.. but humans are humans, so there's bound to be a bit of fudging here and there. But this opinion is from down South, where even the City council can have members voting in sweet deals for their own companies. Whatever did happen to all that reform we were promised? But, Congress says collectively, "We're used to this. Our opinions are shaped by representives of corporate interest, who help our citizens by employing them.. um, sometimes. I think there's a benefit to our constituents, somewhere" They feel they could not get used to such a new way of practicing legislature. Some of them probably felt the same way when race-segregated drinking fountains went away. Oh noes new thinking!

    10. Re:Wishful thinking.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, OK, please step back from the Kool-Ade.

  8. Yes. by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, a copyright levy is collected on CD-Rs and other media to compensate artists for personal copies of musical works, which is permitted under the Copyright Act. If I borrow a friend's music CD and copy that CD on to media purchased under the levy then I have broken no law. The caveat is a person must make the copy for themselves; you cannot make the copy for a friend and then give it to them. Of course, there is absolutely no way of determining this.

    1. Re:Yes. by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      If I borrow a friend's music CD and copy that CD on to media purchased under the levy...

      There's no requirement that you copy onto levied media. You can make a personal copy onto any audio recording medium. See the Copyright Act, it's not that hard to read.

    2. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The link you've given was the French copy, noted by the 'f' in the URL:
      act-f.html#80

      The English version has an 'e' in it's place

    3. Re:Yes. by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I grabbed that link from the paragraph number on the English page; I didn't realize that it was a link to the translation. I guess they say "Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!" for a reason.

    4. Re:Yes. by Alsee · · Score: 1

      The caveat is a person must make the copy for themselves; you cannot make the copy for a friend and then give it to them. Of course, there is absolutely no way of determining this.

      I hear the RIAA is working right now on a fix for that. Something about legislating DNA extraction devices into all new recordable media.

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  9. Retail Stores by Jon.Laslow · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember when the levy first came out - a lot of larger retail stores, like "London Drugs" and Staples figured it would make people stop buying blank media, so they started paying it for the customers. In my area, blank media is priced about the same as it is in most stores across the border, so I don't think the stores ever stopped paying the levy.

  10. The industry no longer wants the DMCA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. why not? Because of safe harbor. Look for new acts to change the way safe harbor works, or to remove the notion that it ought to exist.

  11. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently, the same band of ISP's (and others) mentioned in the article is also proposing that this levy be eliminated:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/02/13/tech-copyright.html

  12. We have been lucky by Geof · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am tremendously proud of Canadians for standing up in the thousands to let it be known they do not support the adoption of the failed copyright regime suffered by citizens the United States. Our action has been essential to preventing the adoption of this law - so far.

    But we have also been very lucky. The previous government introduced a bill (admittedly not as bad as what is reported to be in the current plans). An election was called before it could become law. Timing may again be on our side: the current minority government is likely to fall in the near future. If so, the clock would probably be reset.

    For us to really win this, we need meaningful consultation (i.e. where we not only talk, but the government listens) to ensure the views and interests of all Canadians are taken into account. Very few politicians understand why most Canadians would care - I suspect many of them are not quite sure what to make of the current outcry. Until recently, media stories seldom even reported that the issue had another side. Until our politicians acknowledge the significance of copyright and the public passion over the issue, we must keep fighting.

    1. Re:We have been lucky by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the main reason for the saner laws in this parliament is due to the minority. If any party has a majority we'll get some pretty crazy bills passed through the House. IMHO we should just keep minority governments around forever - it keeps legislation sane and relatively nonpartisan.

    2. Re:We have been lucky by Rei · · Score: 1

      Well, we in the US try to do our part. For example, just last week, I got opposition to the DMCA, restoration of the public domain, and other similar planks added to the Johnson County Democratic Party platform (we're the fifth largest county in the state, out of 99 counties). It's not much, but it's a start; in a couple months we'll be trying to carry it over to the state platform.

      Ordinary people can do their part, however small it may be.

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    3. Re:We have been lucky by Chemicalscum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah minority governments scare the shit out of the politicians. The Trudeau and Clark minority governments were better than any majority ones. It forces even a dangerous authoritarian bushite neocon like Harper to try to appear human, which he finds very painful.

    4. Re:We have been lucky by LunarCrisis · · Score: 1

      It forces even a dangerous authoritarian bushite neocon like Harper to try to appear human, which he finds very painful.

      And apparently very difficult.

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  13. Not quite so simple by Geof · · Score: 1

    I think your description is somewhat idealized. There are plenty of ways to use money to influence politicians. I believe several have left public office for plum jobs in industry, for example - often with businesses connected to their job in government. For them, reelection didn't matter.

    1. Re:Not quite so simple by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      I think your description is somewhat idealized. There are plenty of ways to use money to influence politicians. I believe several have left public office for plum jobs in industry, for example - often with businesses connected to their job in government. For them, reelection didn't matter.
      Simplified, but not idealized - I was trying to make a point in a paragraph, not give a treatise on political organization in Canada.

      Of course there are going to be ways to influence - but the jaws surrounding elections, financing, and politician's behavior makes things that are routine in the USA either impossible, or much less effective.

      Perfect point in case is your example with jumping to industry. Yes, there are always going to be somebody who is going to take the offer .... but with 300+ MPs in the house, are there really going to be enough who will NOT be running again for office to make that sort of thing generally effective? And that's ignoring regulations that regulate ex-politico's lobbying efforts after leaving the house.
    2. Re:Not quite so simple by sjames · · Score: 1

      I believe several have left public office for plum jobs in industry, for example - often with businesses connected to their job in government. For them, reelection didn't matter.

      While that's not preferred, at least it only happens once per crook. ours in the U.S. can sell out over and over.

    3. Re:Not quite so simple by perlchild · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the fact that Canadians actually have a law to make it illegal to engage institutionalized bribery doesn't make it impossible to influence government through money... It just means the US have been needing such a tool for years, and managed not to get it.

      Having the tool won't remove ALL bribery... But without the law, it just means the bribery(ahem "Lobbying") is legal... I just wish I understood why most US citizens have been so convinced their system is superior for so long that when someone shows them an idea they can use, they refuse to even consider the matter...

  14. Just to clarify by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Was it DMC and they added the A?

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    1. Re:Just to clarify by jmac1492 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The DCMA is the US version of the law. The Canadian version is the DCM-EH

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  15. Ah... I love the smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of minority government in the morning.

    It's great having all the political parties on such a short leash.

  16. The DMCA was a mistake by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Before that law was passed, not many people cared too much about copyright. Not even geeks. But the law was so badly designed, and so biassed in favour of the media cartels that suddenly everyone took an interest. Copyright is a major matter to quite a few people. Every time any change in copyright is suggested that is in any way similar to DMCA, there's huge opposition.

    Kind of an unintended consequence of the law the media cartels wanted.

  17. We're just a bunch of Canadian Idiots by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

    Kudos to Weird Al

  18. As they say, by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Canukistan ISPs lobby for rights for YOU!

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  19. I'm Canadian by Geof · · Score: 1

    I'm not trying to excuse the U.S. I'm just skeptical of my own country's virtue.

    1. Re:I'm Canadian by perlchild · · Score: 1

      I'm Canadian too, but I keep having conversations that go nowhere with Americans about this, they're TERRIFIED of even adding one party to the mix.

  20. DMCA won't work up here. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
    A DMCA-like law won't work up here.

    There is an additionnal factor in Canada that is extremely different from the US, and which may very well trigger a massive civil disobedience for an eventual CDMCA: multiculturalism (that is, no "melting pot").

    Immigrants are encouraged to retain their culture; there is no definite effort to force immigrants into making them into WASPs. So, ethnic communities are not something marginal (go see the chinatown in Toronto for a good example).

    When all those people will be told by the law that they cannot have non region-1 DVD players in order to watch (legally-purchased) movies from their country of origin (China, India, Philippines and even -gasp!- Britain or, heaven forbid, France), they will make sure that in the future, Hymiewood* will never again tell them what they can watch at home.

    (After extensive discussions of that subject with my lawyer, it boils down that Parliament can never prohibit non region-1 players because watching a foreign movie cannot be by any remote and twisted interpretation of any kind of law whatsoever be construed as being contrary to the public good; so it is quite likely that such a provision will be struck down by courts).

    * Yeah, I say "Hymiewood". I'm sick and digusted over the jews having total control over the US movie industry; this means that they can fuck with our minds, which explains why the US is such a staunch supporter of the zionists in middle-east, which is one of the primary reasons why that region is so fucked-up.

    1. Re:DMCA won't work up here. by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Yup, there are definitely similarities between the US and Canada. This CDMCA NOT being one of them. But, having racists like this jackass certainly is. Though, from what I've seen, it is rather not tolerated here (or at least as much as in the US).

    2. Re:DMCA won't work up here. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      There is no racism in not liking people whose only difference is being fucked in the head because of their religion. They are religious only by their own volition, not because of their birth. And they can choose to dump their religion any time they want.

      So it's not racism.

  21. Canadians will piss on this law by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

    Canadians will not respect any DMCA type law anyway. Simply put, Canadians do not recognize corporate America's right to IP.

  22. BRIAN MULRONEY by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

    "Mr. Mulroney can you show us how thick the brown envelope was?"

  23. $1 CDN = $1 USD by biggknifeparty · · Score: 2

    I guess you forgot that Bush maimed the US economy and devalued its currency.

    1. Re:$1 CDN = $1 USD by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      Actually I was going for the USD being worth less than the CDN

    2. Re:$1 CDN = $1 USD by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

      ahhh i see my bad, respect

  24. Practise Safe Government: Use a Kingdom! by DreamerFi · · Score: 1

    Practise Safe Government: Use a Kingdom!

  25. The Bloc is not a National Party by Seek_1 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the Bloc doesn't count. National political parties in Canada need to represent the interests of Canadians in ALL provinces. They also have to at least make an attempt at running candidates in all ridings across the country. (So yes, I very much consider the Greens a national party.)

    The Bloc is not a NATIONAL political party. They may be a major one since catering to the whims of Quebec is aways a factor in getting anything done in parliament, but they're definitely not a national party and never will be.

  26. please, don't put your faith in us northerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    despite all efforts, multinational corporations have corrupted the legislative process up here too

    imho, the world-wide rising tide of affluence is swamping the few remaining ethical high spots

  27. driving a toilet .. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    I am driving in a toilet, you insensitive clod!

    --
    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  28. Political parties in Canada by alexo · · Score: 1

    First of all, at the federal level there are only 3 national parties that actually win seats in the House (I'm not sure where you got 4-5 from).

    4 Actually:
    Conservatives
    Liberals
    NDP
    Bloc Québécois

    Unfortunately, we blew our chance to fix the system. So we're stuck with a system where a party that got 10.5% of the popular vote has 16.5% of the seats while one that got 17.5% of the votes has less than 9.5% of the seats (not to mention the Greens with 4.5% of the votes and zero seats).